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Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by ProxCoques on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @02:20PM (#38785491)
If I install the plumbing in your house, you don't pay me every time you have a shower. I'm willing to concede an artist might be "better" than a plumber (commercially), but if copyright is intended to incentivise production of art, then 7 years seems perfectly reasonable time to let a work accrue some money before it goes into the public domain. 7+7 was in fact how copyright first existed.
Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by tanseydavid on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:22PM (#38786236)
Plumber does job work based on agreed price in advance and gets paid for every job.

The artist has no sort of guarantee of income from any particular piece of work or really even subsistence from their entire life's output of work.

I think most people would agree that the physical trades and the arts are not well-suited for comparisons. They are just fundamentally too different.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by ProxCoques on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:48PM (#38786571)
> I think most people would agree that the physical trades and the arts are not well-suited for comparisons.

How is the writing of a book, the production of a movie or the recording of a song any different from the building of a bridge, the drafting of a contract, or the provision of management consultancy? How are they "fundamentally too different" if it's not the way we pay for them?

But more importantly, how is is that we see this difference as so fundamental that we afford protection to an artist (or more accurately, their publishers and the industry that surrounds them) via copyright for so long?

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Brian_K_White on Thursday December 28, 2023 @10:48AM (#38794574)
Simple. If I fashion a shovel and sell it to you, the value I got is the $20 or whatever, and the value you got is the indefinite use of one shovel.

You do not get to clone the shovel by magic for about .1 cent and sell 50M copies of it for $20 each for the next forever.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by ProxCoques on Saturday December 30, 2023 @07:06AM (#38814638)
If the copyright system existed for shovels in that analogy, nobody else could make a shovel like yours during your lifetime, and for about 50 years after that, during which time your rights holders would get rich and shovel design would stand still.

Again - the copyright system as it currently exists needs to die. 7 years protection is enuogh.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Brian_K_White on Saturday December 30, 2023 @10:05PM (#38821380)
The question was how is the value of the labor of an author different from the value of the labor of a plumber. There is a difference, and part of the difference is that if someone wants another sink installed tomorrow, they have to hire the plumber again to do another days work, while the authors work can be copied for free and, if allowed, a company will happily pay the author $50 one time, and then resell that same work 500 million times over for $50 each.

The point was not to defend the current copyright system and certainly not some of the more notable abusers. You asked a question, and that that is one part of the answer. Writing a book or doing any form of creative information-product work is different from doing physical-product or service work.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Brian_K_White on Thursday December 28, 2023 @10:43AM (#38794513)
Not to mention, no one gets to make 50M reselling the plumbers one day pay work.
Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by auggierose on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @02:39PM (#38785688)
Reading comments like yours convinces me that open sourcing my stuff wouldn't be a good idea. I very much like the idea that I own what I created. At least as long as owning stuff is how society works.
Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by ProxCoques on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @03:54PM (#38786622)
Yes! That worked for Linus Torvalds! Oh, wait... https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-businessmen/linus-...
Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by auggierose on Wednesday December 27, 2023 @05:33PM (#38787649)
50 Million for the most successful open-source project(s) of all time? That is peanuts.

If you want to make money, open-sourcing your work seems to be a very hard way of doing so.

Re:'A business model based on mass copyright infringement' by Brian_K_White on Saturday December 30, 2023 @10:22PM (#38821448)
What is the value of all the software I've been able to use all my life for free? What is the value of the fact that all of that software behaved sanely and in my interests at all times? Both are basically incalculable. There is more than dollars to consider in the equation, and there are even many dollars too, merely indirectly.