Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by 8372049 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @07:11PM
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That's not universally true. In my country, German was the widely accepted and taught second language until WW2. Since then it's been English.
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Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by actionfromafar on Sunday December 24, 2023 @07:26PM
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Well one empire (sort of empire) defeated another, so it’s related.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by 8372049 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:05PM
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The reason German(y) was widely unpopular after WW2 wasn't primarily because they lost.
ETA: They lost WW1 too, but German remained our #1 foreign language.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by dragonwriter on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:07PM
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OTOH, the reason those feelings were free to be expressed...
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by 8372049 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:47PM
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Yeah, we would all be speaking German now if they had won. But to put it another way, German remained the second language after they lost WW1.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by Hunpeter on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @01:34PM
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>we would all be speaking German >now if they had won
I hope you're saying this as a joke/deliberate hyperbole.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by Aicy on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:50PM
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The relative power of German speakers (Germany) dropped massively after WW2 compared to English speakers (USA).
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by OJFord on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:28PM
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How is that not essentially the same point? The second language was determined by international politics, not linguistic merit.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by 8372049 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:54PM
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Depends on your level of abstraction, I guess. GP stated "We all speak English because at one point the English practically owned the entire planet."
Which in our case is false. We stopped learning German as a second language because of the Nazi aggression and atrocities during WW2, and started learning English as a second language due to their aid and closer relations during the war.
But yes, it's obviously not because of any linguistic merit.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by throwaway2037 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @09:41PM
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It would help if we knew which country. Was this due to (1) pre-WW2 German language mostly useful for trade with Germany, or (2) a significant minority of ethnic Germans, who probably returned to Germany (E/W) after WW2? My guess: #2.
Re:Did English ever have a formal version of "you"? (2011)
by 8372049 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:45PM
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Norway. Just overall friendlier standing with Germany than the UK pre-WW2 I think.
No significant minority of ethnic Germans, and I think trade with Germany and the UK was roughly comparable.