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Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by gwbas1c on Saturday December 23, 2023 @11:47PM (#38751223)
Unless the laws changed, rent controlled apartments are rented out at market rate, and then price increases are strictly controlled.

I lived in a rent controlled apartment in SF for a year. What was frustrating was realizing that I was paying significantly more rent than other tenants in similar units.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by DiggyJohnson on Sunday December 24, 2023 @01:06AM (#38751521)
What you’re saying seems incompatible to me. Either they’re rented out at market rate, or their prices are strictly controlled.

How did you end up paying more than comp with a rent controlled unit? That doesn’t make much sense.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by blast on Sunday December 24, 2023 @01:06AM (#38751526)
New tenants have to pay market rate to begin renting. Rent control kicks in after that and prevents the rent from increasing much.

If the other renters had been there for many years, they'd effectively still be paying the market rate from years earlier. That can be a great deal less than market rate now.

That's why renters in rent-controlled units tend not to move as much - as market rates go up, your rent gets relatively cheaper over time and that's an incentive to stay put.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by strken on Sunday December 24, 2023 @01:56AM (#38751716)
The rent is frontloaded. It averages out over the long run, but landlords charge more at the beginning of the lease to make up some of the difference caused by rent controls by the time the lease ends.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by baby on Sunday December 24, 2023 @02:37AM (#38751897)
To me it’s more like if you have a non-rent controlled place you have to make it more attractive with lower prices, which is OK as you can just increase like hell after a year.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by killingtime74 on Sunday December 24, 2023 @08:48AM (#38753427)
If you increase it, people can just move
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by baby on Monday December 25, 2023 @05:05PM (#38766582)
Imagine: you’re in the middle of crunch time at work, your wife is pregnant, you receive some notice that the rent is going to increase ten folds in two weeks, good luck.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by killingtime74 on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @10:21PM (#38778738)
Imagine: you are a single techie living in SF, you get the notice and move to another apartment :D.
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by baby on Thursday December 28, 2023 @04:57AM (#38791825)
Why would you be single in sf
Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by gwbas1c on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @10:38PM (#38778849)
It wasn't that way when I shopped for an apartment in SF. (Summer 2008.)

The rent controlled landlords struggled, and didn't have much, or any, wiggle room for upkeep. (Just look at the Parkmerced saga. The place was a dump, but politics prevented them from fixing it.)

I moved into my rent controlled apartment because it was a good deal; the non-rent-control apartments actually cost more at the time.

Re:San Francisco’s rent prices have never returned to pre-20... by baby on Sunday December 24, 2023 @02:35AM (#38751887)
That’s the game. When I was looking for a place during covid I could have gotten some dope appartements for much cheaper than the rent controlled ones, hell they would even throw a free month sometimes lol. But I knew all of these would jack up their prices right after your lease ends. It blows my mind that some people don’t look for rent controlled apartments.