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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by throwawaysugar on Saturday December 23, 2023 @03:58PM (#38748173)
> Brazil has been on a slippery slope regarding free speech.

Citation needed. Free speech is not an "unlimited right" in Brazil (I'd argue it's not an unlimited right in the U.S. either, but that's not necessary here)

Article 3 of the 1988 Constitution of Brazil states:

Art. 3 The fundamental objectives of the Federative Republic of Brazil are:

I. to build a free, just and unified society;

II. to guarantee national development;

III. to eradicate poverty and substandard living conditions and to reduce social and regional inequalities;

IV. to promote the well-being of all, without prejudice as to origin, race, sex, color, age and any other forms of discrimination.

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You can also just read on Wikipedia about this to be better informed... it's literally on the "Freedom of speech in Brazil" article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech_in_Brazil#Ty...

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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by Georgelemental on Saturday December 23, 2023 @11:46PM (#38751215)
> Free speech is not an "unlimited right" in Brazil

Free speech exists as an unlimited right everywhere. Sometimes, tyrants fail to recognize that existence, is all

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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by waffleiron on Sunday December 24, 2023 @02:52AM (#38751968)
Human rights are cultural, for example the right to food and housing is seen by some other cultures as a human right. Does that mean the US ruled by tyrants for not recognizing that?

Human rights are not as universal as you might think.

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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by Georgelemental on Sunday December 24, 2023 @02:59AM (#38751989)
Human rights are human, that's why they're called "human rights." If they were cultural, they would be called "cultural rights." Some people claim that food and housing are "human rights"; those people are factually wrong because food and housing are limited resources that require time and effort to obtain. (In contrast, speaking one's mind is something anyone can just do; it's an intrinsic property of being human.)
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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by waffleiron on Sunday December 24, 2023 @03:21AM (#38752075)
The view that only negative rights are human rights is not a given and quite libertarian. For example education is often seen as a human right and is a positive right.

Human rights depend on what one values and that’s different for different groups. It’s crazy to think that the way a certain country/person/ideology think about rights is the only correct way.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negative_and_positive_rights

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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by Georgelemental on Sunday December 24, 2023 @12:04PM (#38754808)
Once again, the universality of human rights is implied by their name, "human rights." If the government of Slevobia wants to provide healthcare to all Slevobian citizens, more power to them; but healthcare is then a "right of Slevobian citizens," not a "human right."
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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by drowsspa on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:17PM (#38759351)
"Factually wrong" oh yeah, I'm being factual and logical and those others are being ideological and political.
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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by Georgelemental on Sunday December 24, 2023 @10:53PM (#38759554)
Yes, this is in fact one of the few cases where a philosopical question has clear-cut, empirically verifiable right and wrong answers.

(Merry Christmas btw)

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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by drowsspa on Monday December 25, 2023 @07:00AM (#38761905)
Of course, like I said, libertarianism is empirically verifiably right. Got it.
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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by Georgelemental on Monday December 25, 2023 @12:17PM (#38764294)
I don't consider myself a libertarian. "Food and shelter are limited resources" is empirically verifiable.
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Re:Rumble Turns Off Access in Brazil Because of Government's... by drowsspa on Tuesday December 26, 2023 @06:21AM (#38770794)
That is a fact. Where your ideology enters the argument is when you say that implies they're not human rights.
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