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Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by myself248 on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @05:23PM (#38714444)
> Inconveniently, metal that contacts silicon, metal that crosses over silicon, and metal that forms a transistor all appear very similar in this chip. This makes it more difficult to determine the wiring.

I've heard that all diodes are LEDs, if one's vision extends to the infrared. Is it possible to fire up the chip and photograph it in the infrared, and would that make the transistors stand out?

Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by kens on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @08:04PM (#38715870)
Well, John McMaster was able to do some IR imaging of a chip: https://hackaday.com/2019/06/20/seeing-transistors-switch-in... But in this case, I think it's easier to squint at the die to distinguish the features by subtle differences in color. It's possible to tell them apart, but I wasted a lot of time before realizing "Oh, that's a transistor‽"
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by KRAKRISMOTT on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @07:00PM (#38715329)
High resolution thermal imaging is tightly regulated
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by philipkglass on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @07:05PM (#38715383)
The emission from silicon referred to by myself248 is in the near infrared, not the thermal range. It's a commonly used diagnostic technique for silicon solar cells:

https://www.pveducation.org/pvcdrom/characterisation/electro...

I don't know if it could be used for the much smaller features found on integrated circuits, though.

Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by gorkish on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @11:31PM (#38717033)
As the restrictions are now blocking the IMPORT of such equipment it really is getting to be quite a joke. In the US we are only allowed to have expensive potato quality cameras with 9fps and even then that's not shitty enough -- they also have to have to inject artificial noise into it!
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by lightedman on Wednesday December 20, 2023 @11:33PM (#38717045)
Thermal is not the same as near-red IR, which is what is being discussed here.
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by acuozzo on Thursday December 21, 2023 @09:23AM (#38720701)
Why?
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by voakbasda on Thursday December 21, 2023 @01:05PM (#38724121)
Because the government knows IR would be a pivotal tool in a civilian guerrilla uprising, and they want to keep such things out of the hands of the proletariat?
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by acuozzo on Thursday December 21, 2023 @01:35PM (#38724685)
Got it. It was a genuine question asked out of ignorance on my part.

How would the extra resolution be useful in warfare?

Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by KRAKRISMOTT on Thursday December 21, 2023 @08:12PM (#38729633)
Anti aircraft missiles (everything from plane launched to manpads), heat seeking weaponry capabilities, night vision, multispectrum sensors, optical gas imaging and a whole host of other dual use scientific applications. High resolution thermal vision is the lynchpin behind all of them. I am not sure why they are still tightly controlled since you can easily acquire them overseas.
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by voakbasda on Friday December 22, 2023 @08:44PM (#38740872)
The US government is terrified of its citizenry, as they are the only people that stand a chance of “fixing” it.
Re:The transparent chip inside a vintage Hewlett-Packard flo... by doubled112 on Thursday December 21, 2023 @10:53AM (#38722051)
I've been successful at making many electronic parts light emitters even when they're not designed to be.

Some last longer than others under the conditions.