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Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by mikestew on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:09PM (#38687509)
Hyundai has about the right balance from what I have seen.

Owner of a '23 Ioniq 5 here. Hyundai has struck a balance, but not quite the right balance. There are physical buttons, but they don't control the climate or seat warmers. In fact, one of my few annoyances with this car is when I use the physical volume button, my finger often brushes up against the capacitive "climate" button area, hence flipping on the heat when I just wanted to turn the podcast down.

Now, there are the usual physical controls like wiper and turn signals, but that's not because Hyundai are paragons of control design, but rather because they're not idiots. And the complaints above are not that big a deal, as the "buttons" are right at hand. But with just a minor tweak or two, they could have done much better. And, as other commenters point out, it could be much, much worse.

Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by jqpabc123 on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:16PM (#38687591)
There are physical buttons, but they don't control the climate or seat warmers.

Most Hyundai's I've seen have a physical button for the seat warmers and a nice 1 knob control for automated climate. Just turn to the temperature you want and the car handles whatever is needed to get you there. It don't get any simpler.

Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by cwillu on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:01PM (#38689620)
Ugh, “one knob” controls are the worst in cold climates.
Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by dingsbumps on Monday December 18, 2023 @06:50PM (#38689998)
I'm curious, could you expand on what makes them bad for cold climates?
Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by cwillu on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:43PM (#38690380)
Off the top of my head, what you want in a warm car when the doors have opened and a shivering passenger gets in is very different from what you want when the car is cold and you're sitting in a cold seat is very different from what you want when a burst of mild humidity from a conversation or bag of hot food hits the windshield is very different than what you want when you want the interior to warm up as fast as possible without regard to windchill because nobody is in the car right now.

The issues are similar to tying the seat warmers into that single control.

Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by coldpie on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:14PM (#38687568)
Ioniq 5 is at the top of my list for when we go car shopping, probably late next year. Coming from a pre-touchscreen-era 2011 Mazda, I'm pretty nervous about the UI disaster cars have turned into these days. I wish Mazda would build a good EV, but it sounds like it's not happening any time in the near term.
Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by mikestew on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:04PM (#38688255)
Oh, it's not so bad that I would not consider buying the car (like we did with VW). Day-to-day it's not a huge deal. If the auto-climate is already set to what you like, then you just hit the clearly-labelled, but-still-capacitive, "climate" button and you're done. And the voice control actually...works; what will they think of next? :-)

But it certainly could be better.

Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by bdcravens on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:22PM (#38687656)
Also consider the EV6, since they're the same platform (very much the same, though have a few UX differences, as I described in another comment)
Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by coldpie on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:26PM (#38687708)
Cheers, will do.
Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by bdcravens on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:21PM (#38687640)
Own a Kia EV6, the sibling to that car. I'm unsure if it's the case on the Ioniq 5, but the GT Line has that same problem, but the lesser trim that I have (Wind) actually has real buttons for those controls. (Wind doesn't have HUD, auto door handles, or sunroof)
Re:VW is putting buttons back in cars by mikestew on Monday December 18, 2023 @04:15PM (#38688407)
We have the top-trim Ioniq, but AFAICT the controls are the same as lower-spec vehicles. It is interesting how the two cars are badge-engineered, but have such different interiors.