EU opens proceedings against X over efforts to combat information manipulation

Re:EU opens proceedings against X over efforts to combat inf... by seydor on Monday December 18, 2023 @09:46AM (#38683183)

Actually i'm pro-EU but what we have in the past 15 years is brussels acting like a corporate, with careerist wannabes doing anything that sounds popular in order to climb up the corporate ladder. There is 0 politics in brussels these days, all lobbying. I think it's my duty to be critical of that

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Re:EU opens proceedings against X over efforts to combat inf... by qsdf38100 on Monday December 18, 2023 @10:04AM (#38683408)

Yeah but be careful what you wish for. Constructive criticism is good, shitting on the EU and parroting "EU is a corrupt dictatorship!!" propaganda will make foreign-backed populists rise. Who will benefit from the downfall of th EU? Why are so many people seemingly happy about it?

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Re:EU opens proceedings against X over efforts to combat inf... by Longhanks on Monday December 18, 2023 @12:52PM (#38685819)

The downfall of the EU could potentially allow for a successor framework that is more democratically backed. There are some that think the EU is corrupted beyond saving and it would be easier to start a new project instead of reforming the existing.

Personally, the fact that the EU considers itself above the constitutions of its member states without having this "constitution level" approved by the actual people (there are two referendums that failed at the ballot, in France and in the Netherlands, that lead restructuring so that no more popular vote was necessary, those are the contracts which are now in place), is a major no go for me. If there ever is to be an European constitution, the people must absolutely be able to vote on it, and the vote must be binding - so rejection means no, and a not "bypass by restructuring" - and a new attempt must then furthermore be voted on.

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Re:EU opens proceedings against X over efforts to combat inf... by Sammi on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:36PM (#38687837)

Either we reform the EU from within using our strong belief in the institution.

Or we have a revolution and a world war to replace it. Millions dead.

I'm sorry but these things don't tend to have a middle solution. That's what history teaches us.

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Re:EU opens proceedings against X over efforts to combat inf... by Andrew_nenakhov on Monday December 18, 2023 @07:17PM (#38690200)

Britain leaving the EU didn't result in a war so it kinda disproves your point. If some countries leave and later reunite on according to different set of principles, it doesn't necessarily mean there would be a war.

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