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Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by 6stringmerc on Sunday December 17, 2023 @02:38PM (#38675682)
All that lovely prose and wonderful history and not a single reference to the well known conditions of working poor musicians who turned to stimulants like speed and cocaine to make it from gig to gig rain or shine or you don’t get paid.

There is an even darker undercurrent from where Johnny Cash came from - it’s something I’ve been discussing often in 2023 with other musicians - the US tries to kill us. It makes this the worst and most dangerous job possible and yes that also means Cops harass us. Because of that???

Our music is raw and real - Guns N Roses, Nirvana, Run the Jewels - the biggest export is our culture of rebellion that won’t quit. You can take credit for the good stuff yeah put a song on the playlist at the Bar in your Carhart stuff…

Johnny Cash, Waylon, Willie, and the ongoing legacy of “I will do this no matter what” and being exploited is no joke. I’m proud of the Hendrix family. I’m sad to see this, this big wall of text, just gloss over how Johnny Cash got out of where he came from. He didn’t do it with thoughts and prayers y’all.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by chrisco255 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @04:31PM (#38676656)
> He didn’t do it with thoughts and prayers y’all.

Johnny Cash would probably argue otherwise, given his beliefs and discography.

Here is him singing "The Junkie's Prayer": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkDJt5GutqA

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by tshirthoodie on Sunday December 17, 2023 @03:02PM (#38675872)
>the ongoing legacy of “I will do this no matter what” and being exploited

If you're willing to do it no matter what, you're begging to be exploited. That's the entire history of the labor movement in a sentence.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by jzb on Sunday December 17, 2023 @04:39PM (#38676721)
Vulnerable. Not begging, vulnerable. This is prime blaming the victim. People who have an innate drive to make music or art are vulnerable to be exploited, but place the blame where it belongs: on those who would exploit them.

Most humans enjoy music and art. We want it to exist. It makes life better. We shouldn't be looking down on those who want to supply it.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by bequanna on Sunday December 17, 2023 @05:03PM (#38676930)
> People who have an innate drive to make music or art are vulnerable to be exploited, but place the blame where it belongs: on those who would exploit them.

I don’t understand this.

Why are only people who make music or art special in this regard?

If I am someone who enjoys Software Engineering, am I also ripe to be exploited? If not, please explain.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by tshirthoodie on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:43PM (#38678719)
>Most humans enjoy music and art. We want it to exist. It makes life better. We shouldn't be looking down on those who want to supply it.

Of course I agree with all your desires. I'm just saying how capitalism works in reality. You can pass moral judgements all you want, but capitalism doesn't care how many people want something. In capitalism, it's all about profit over time.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by schneems on Sunday December 17, 2023 @03:24PM (#38676063)
> you’re begging to be exploited

A “yes, and” pivot: you’re going to be exploited, you should be begging for a union.

I’ve been musing on what an open source (users/creators) union would look like. The best of us write software in this “no matter what” category. How could we collectively support them while they support us and we support each other?

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by zakary on Sunday December 17, 2023 @03:27PM (#38676085)
If you’re only sellable skill is making music, and you have to put food on the table, that isn’t begging to be exploited; it’s grit
Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by bequanna on Sunday December 17, 2023 @05:06PM (#38676956)
It simply seems like supply and demand to me.

There many, many people trying to be successful in arts and entertainment.

Why would someone overpay for something that may be seen as a commodity because of the overwhelming supply?

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by roflyear on Sunday December 17, 2023 @04:06PM (#38676421)
> It makes this the worst and most dangerous job possible

Then why do it? You know the answer to this, just like I do.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by epiphanitus on Sunday December 17, 2023 @04:36PM (#38676695)
Take us on the road with you. What's it like?
Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by confd on Sunday December 17, 2023 @05:00PM (#38676893)
> It makes this the worst and most dangerous job possible

I’m sure the Wichita Lineman would disagree.

Re:Where Johnny Cash Came From by swader999 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @05:53PM (#38677252)
I grew up with all those too but still found a lot of time for Johnny Cash. Saw him live once too in a small venue.