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Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by hosh on Sunday December 17, 2023 @09:11AM (#38672939)
If I remember correctly, Google’s CAPCHA’s test isn’t in correctly identifying images, but the behavior of the runtime system (mouse jitter, for example) while the capcha is presented to the user. The image identification was not the real test and serves as training data. It has been like that for years. (But with agent-based behaviors from say, Q*, mouse jitter alone won’t help; there are probably other signals like fluctuation in cpu or battery life expenditures)

You could already see the writing on the wall with image identification years ago, when the obscuration techniques became more elaborate. It was an arms race. I was having trouble with them. I can see less technically inclined being able to use them. I imagined how much worse it was for people with color blindness, disabilities, or people forced to use them at public library computers because that is all they have.

Open source capcha projects have either not been clued in, or don’t have the resources to pull this off. Google didn’t just switch out which signals they tested, they also wrote an obfuscating virtual machine executing within the browser environment (if I remember that article taking about this correctly). That was years ago and who knows what they do now — for all we know, the “byte code” running the test is now a neural net of some kind.

Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by gottebp on Sunday December 17, 2023 @11:21AM (#38673851)
I have occasionally wondered if they were fingerprinting users based on that mouse jitter. Most likely certain aspects of the mouse motion and timing would be unique.
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by matheusmoreira on Sunday December 17, 2023 @03:32PM (#38676121)
No doubt they are. Google CAPTCHA isn't really about whether or not the user is a human but about which human they are. Enabling Firefox's fingerprinting resistance turns Google's CAPTCHA into the Allied Mastercomputer.
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by saberience on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:14AM (#38673372)
For those with elderly parents the writing has been on the wall for years. It’s sad but my mother has for some time been effectively locked out of parts of the internet as she is unable to complete these kinds of captures due to eyesight issues.

I mean, I’ve sometimes had to try three or four times with certain captures and I have perfect eyesight (with my glasses). I feel so badly for those with vision or hearing issues with an empathy I never had when I was younger. They are so often simply forgotten.

Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by pixl97 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:42AM (#38673565)
>captures due to eyesight issues.

I'm kinda surprised that ADA doesn't allow them to sue site owners about this.

Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by behringer on Sunday December 17, 2023 @11:02AM (#38673712)
They almost certainly do. However most captchas allow an alternative solving method. On top of that, you'd have to find a lawyer willing to take the case.
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by fnordpiglet on Sunday December 17, 2023 @12:15PM (#38674376)
Oh ADA lawyers are a dime a dozen. There’s entire cottage industries of finding ADA violations to sue over. The issue is more finding companies to sue that can’t afford to fight back.
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by nativeit on Sunday December 17, 2023 @04:23PM (#38676598)
I don’t know about that. When I was 18, I was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis, and received a sudden and unexpected demotion from a job with a small regional restaurant franchise that was previously flourishing, and then found myself unemployed a few weeks later, just days before my benefits package was due to be activated.

I contacted several attorneys, none of whom would consider taking the case, or even bother to discuss the details with me. One of them told me that, at least in North Carolina, an employer would effectively have to get on the stand and explicitly confess taking adverse actions against me specifically because I had been diagnosed with MS. Any other remotely plausible excuse would provide them with all the cover necessary.

It was only much later that I learned that I would have had to have filed a complaint with the EEOC and NLRB within 180-days, and allow them to investigate my claims fully before authorizing such a lawsuit to begin with, as without such a determination I could not file the suit anyway. None of the attorneys I consulted even mentioned this absolutely critical first step, which suggests that they had even less faith in a successful outcome.

Maybe it’s different for facilities and regulatory enforcement, but in my experience, at least for labor, the protections are incredibly weak.

Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by fnordpiglet on Sunday December 17, 2023 @06:15PM (#38677396)
This is more ADA title I. Typically for Title III ADA lawyers troll small businesses looking for accessibility issues like lack of ramp, and have a stable of disabled clients who will file against the businesses. Since the businesses can’t generally afford to context or pay fines they’ll settle quickly and remediate, or a non trivial amount of the time get run out of business (if for instance the remediation costs a non trivial amount to pull off). I’m not judging bad or good, here, it is what it is and perhaps it’s the right outcome to allow for general accessibility.
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by graphe on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:25AM (#38673447)
There's audio captcha. Try to click the headphone logo (Google captcha has it).
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by J_Shelby_J on Sunday December 17, 2023 @10:31AM (#38673489)
I’ve switched to audio captchas completely because it’s quicker and sometimes the image captchas just won’t work.
Re:AI bots are now outperforming humans in solving CAPTCHAs by armada651 on Sunday December 17, 2023 @11:38AM (#38673982)
Because as we all know, the elderly with deteriorating eye sight have perfect hearing. /s