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Re:Museum Items Go Missing by rmason on Saturday December 16, 2023 @06:03AM (#38663377)
One of the saddest stories I ever heard happened in Detroit. Ernie Harwell was the legendary play by play announcer for the Detroit Tigers. He started his announcing career in Georgia and began collecting baseball memorabilia in the forties when no one much was interested in it.

He became the guy to call when a retired player needed money or the one the widow called when a player passed away. He amassed a huge collection, second only to the Baseball Hall of Fame. At the end of his life he faced with what to do with his collection. His favorite nephew worked for the Detroit Public library and convinced him to leave it to them in his will so he did.

At the time he passed away the library had closed most of its branches and was terribly understaffed. They made the collection viewable by appointment only. In the first six months one or more of those viewers walked out the door with the most valuable items and sold them on the black market to willing collectors.

Did the library hire a private detective to try and find out who did the thefts and attempt to recover the items? The answer is no they didn't. The thefts were reported to the even more understaffed Detroit police who took the report and did not conduct any investigation.

There should be a public museum near Tiger stadium that would be a huge tourist attraction but there is not. Currently I do not think you can even get a reservation to view the collection.

https://www.nbcsports.com/mlb/news/ernie-harwells-memorabili...

https://www.liveauctioneers.com/news/top-news/collectiblesan...

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by caminante on Saturday December 16, 2023 @06:28AM (#38663476)
> A former librarian said many boxes of artifacts are stored — but uncatalogued — in the basement, meaning it is difficult to know if items have been removed. [0]

Well, if the donor isn't going to inventory the goods, then expectations should be low. Did his nephew not have a clue?

This is like never checking the data backup. Either it's not that valuable, or you're negligent.

[0] https://www.mlive.com/news/detroit/2011/06/report_ernie_harw...

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by crazygringo on Saturday December 16, 2023 @08:14AM (#38663949)
I think you're supposed to assume that it's the library that will do the cataloguing.

But at the same time, you're supposed to do your research to make sure the institution you want to donate your collection to has the capability and capacity to properly care for it and make it both secure and accessible.

Just because it's a local library doesn't mean they can.

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by ghaff on Saturday December 16, 2023 @08:54AM (#38664204)
And it's expensive to catalog a collection much less display it. A lot of people probably assume that their collection of "stuff" that's of historical interest to some community of people will be welcomed by museums/libraries/archives with open arms. But that's often not the case.
Re:Museum Items Go Missing by throwup238 on Saturday December 16, 2023 @11:23AM (#38665404)
They already have too much stuff and never have enough labor as it is. The Smithsonian collection, for example, has 155 million specimens. The major DC museums between them have nearly a billion items, 99.9% of which are in permanent storage and 90% of which have never been studied beyond a quick catalog by an intern. That’s just DC. European collections are 10-100x larger per capita.

Humans have created an absurd number of artifacts and what’s valuable isn’t the items but the time spent studying them. Just dumping a collection on someone isn’t doing them any favors, just handing them an obligation.

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by RoyalHenOil on Monday December 18, 2023 @03:04AM (#38680196)
I interned at a natural history museum that does not have any public face whatsoever. It has several million specimens and artifacts in its collection, which fill several large buildings (including a large mall that had closed), and the specimens are tightly packed from floor to ceiling.

Even though the museum is accessible only by appointment, it still actively adds to its collection and happily accepts donations (though only so long as they can supplied with appropriate documentation and have been correctly preserved) because they have potential research value in the future. The museum's collection was fundamental in discovering that DDT was affecting birds, for example.

Even though it's technically a museum, I think it can be helpful to think of it as an archive that can be used to pinpoint changes (to genetics, toxin exposures, early human technology, etc.) across time and across the landscape.

I think most major natural history museums will probably have large collections of specimens/artifacts that are intended strictly for research, not for the public to ever see. The small portion of the collection that is on display is fantastic fundraising, but public displays are not the only purpose (or even the main purpose) that a museum like the Smithsonian serves.

This is a very different use case from a baseball memorabilia collection, however, which has little value outside of being displayed to the public. I can see how such donations can end up being a white elephant gift.

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by caminante on Saturday December 16, 2023 @11:13AM (#38665299)
> I think you're supposed to assume that it's the library that will do the cataloguing.

Bad premise.

How many municipal LIBRARIES have you been to that displayed sports memorabilia?

We're not talking about a museum, sports or otherwise.

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by crazygringo on Saturday December 16, 2023 @12:28PM (#38666065)
Well, the one where I grew up. It has rotating exhibits of local historical and civic artifacts. It basically has a small wing that functions as a mini museum.

A lot of towns have one or more mini-museums of that sort. They might be attached to a library, to city hall, to a school, or even a volunteer organization or something.

Donating it to a library can make perfect sense in that case. It really depends on the library.

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by ghaff on Saturday December 16, 2023 @11:37AM (#38665518)
I mean the vast majority of book donations to my town library presumably end up at the annual book sale along with culls from the library itself. And, based on how many books are left near the end of the sale, I assume the majority probably ends up pulped.
Re:Museum Items Go Missing by caminante on Saturday December 16, 2023 @11:46AM (#38665615)
Even better. I forgot about how libraries' core business includes letting their inventory depreciate, then replace.
Re:Museum Items Go Missing by crazygringo on Saturday December 16, 2023 @12:29PM (#38666078)
Can you elaborate, with a source or two? That's a bold claim and I've never heard of such a thing.
Re:Museum Items Go Missing by toast0 on Saturday December 16, 2023 @03:29PM (#38667402)
Look up 'library weeding'. Most libraries don't aspire to be an archive of everything, or they'd be called an archive, not a library.

If materials don't circulate, they don't belong at the library. When materials circulate a lot, they wear out and need to be repaired and eventually replaced.

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by caminante on Saturday December 16, 2023 @12:50PM (#38666262)
Bold claim to say libraries have to re-buy books after too much use?

Sarcasm?

Re:Museum Items Go Missing by ghaff on Saturday December 16, 2023 @01:49PM (#38666707)
Demand also changes. Some author like Dan Brown is all the rage for a while. Ten years later, they may not need all those copies--maybe just keep the one or two copies of some title that are in the best shape. To greater or lesser degrees, libraries do review their circulation records. If a circulatable book hasn't been out for ten years it's probably a candidate for deletion unless it has some unique interest.
Re:Museum Items Go Missing by crazygringo on Saturday December 16, 2023 @07:48PM (#38669319)
Sorry, I think I misread your original comment as implying that libraries were somehow overbuying, or replacing books that didn't need it.

I think I assumed you were using the term "core business" sarcastically... maybe I'm just used to so much snark on HN and the internet in general that now I'm seeing it when it's not there. :S

Never mind, sorry for the confusion!