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Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by buzzert on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @04:45PM (#38619076)
I'm curious why you think there are much fewer homeless in conservative cities (like Provo, Jacksonville, even Orange County)? Is it because everything is backwards? The progressive cities are actually conservative, and the conservative cities are actually progressive?
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by topato on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @08:12PM (#38621335)
Because if you're homeless, you totally want to stay somewhere with no social programs. Here in California, our Medicaid insurance is infinitely better than any private insurance. Why would you stay somewhere where you get zero help? I. E. Zero Medicaid expansion in conservative states
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by vGPU on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @08:26PM (#38636665)
Which leads to lovely little details like the reason the SF poop map exists: https://www.arcgis.com/apps/View/index.html?appid=b6fab72091...

I’ll pass, thanks.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by uoaei on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @05:03PM (#38619315)
People have feet and can move between cities...

They're pushed out, either through police violence or a complete lack of viable social support systems. There's many ways to discourage folks from sticking around through ad hoc policies without putting it explicitly into law, or else to simply not mandate the kind of support that other cities have.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by buzzert on Tuesday December 12, 2023 @05:55PM (#38619930)
Right, but I'm asking if Portland is secretly run by conservatives, why does it have a different outcome? i.e., why doesn't Portland discourage folks from sticking around?
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by uoaei on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @12:14AM (#38622987)
Conservatives don't "secretly run" anything and to insinuate that that's what I'm saying is to misinterpret my comments. So the premise of the question is false from the outset.

Conservatives (and the threat of conservative backlash) can nonetheless meaningfully influence the shape of institutional policies that hinder the stated goals of the organization, municipal government or otherwise. It's not at "tyranny of the minority" levels in many cases but that doesn't mean they're completely shut out.

Intention matters little when it comes to outcomes -- this is the credo of the consequentialist. It's about the material facts as regards what specific elements of specific policies promote or discourage this or that outcome. Deft policymakers can find sneaky leverage points that are only obvious in retrospect as having been a significant influence on the outcome vis a vis the stated goals of the policy in the first place, and it would be naive to assume that large political organizations (parties, PACs, etc.) on both sides don't develop and hire talent to provide exactly this kind of service. It's a battle of shadow consultancies just as much as it is a battle between ideologically-motivated parties, even though you are only exposed to the dramas of the latter in news media.

Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by valval on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @05:00PM (#38634785)
Yes — the political opposition is functioning exactly like it should.
Re:To revive Portland, officials seek to ban public drug use by fragmede on Wednesday December 13, 2023 @04:02AM (#38624555)
If Portland is secretly run by conservatives that want to prove that high minded liberal ideas for dealing with the unhoused and drug addicts, they're doing a very good job!