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Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by stavros on Monday December 11, 2023 @07:54AM (#38600219)
You mean the 7B one? That's exciting if true, but if compression means it can do 0.1 token/sec,it doesn't do much for anyone.
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by anon373839 on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:14AM (#38600351)
No, I am referring to the 7Bx8 MoE model. The MoE layers apparently can be sparsified (or equivalently, quantized down to a single bit per weight) with minimal loss of quality.

Inference on a quantized model is faster, not slower.

However, I have no idea how practical it is to run a LLM on a phone. I think it would run hot and waste the battery.

Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by stavros on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:26AM (#38600425)
Really? Well that's very exciting. I don't care about wasting my battery if it can do my menial tasks for me, battery is a currency I'd gladly pay for this use case.
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by TeMPOraL on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:06AM (#38601260)
Maybe this way, we'll not just get user-replaceable batteries in smartphones back - maybe we'll get hot-swappable batteries for phones, as everyone will be happy to carry a bag of extra batteries if it means using advanced AI capabilities for the whole day, instead of 15 minutes.
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by stavros on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:14AM (#38601326)
Or maybe we'll finally get better batteries!

Though I guess that's not for lack of trying.

Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by brandall10 on Monday December 11, 2023 @01:29PM (#38603452)
I think we're at least a couple generations away where this is feasible for these models, unless say it's for performing a limited number of background tasks at fairly slow inference speed. SOC power draw limits will probably limit inference speed to about 2-5 tok/sec (lower end for Mixtral which has the processing requirements of a 14B) and would suck an iPhone Max dry in about an hour.
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by infecto on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:04AM (#38600283)
Not true. Not everyone is building chat bot or similar interface that requires output with latency low enough for a user. While your example is of course incredibly slow, there are still many interesting things that could be done if it was a little bit quicker.
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by stavros on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:06AM (#38600302)
What kind of use cases run in an environment where latency isn't important (some kind of batch process?) but don't have more than 4GB of RAM?
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by wongarsu on Monday December 11, 2023 @09:18AM (#38600822)
Price sensitive ones, or cases where you want the new capability but can't get any new infrastructure.
Re:Mistral: Our first AI endpoints are available in early ac... by TeMPOraL on Monday December 11, 2023 @10:12AM (#38601305)
Not LLMs, but locally running facial and object recognition models on your phone's gallery, to build up a database for face/object search in the gallery app? I'm half-convinced this is how Samsung does it, but I can't really be sure of much, because all the photo AI stuff works weirdly and in unobservable way, probably because of some EU ruling.

(That one is a curious case. I once spent some time trying to figure out why no major photo app seems to support manually tagging faces, which is a mind-dumbingly obvious feature to support, and which was something supported by software a decade or so ago. I couldn't find anything definitive; there's this eerie conspiracy of silence on the topic, that made me doubt my own sanity at times. Eventually, I dug up hints that some EU ruling/regs related to facial recognition led everyone to remove or geolock this feature. Still nothing specific, though.)