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Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by blantonl on Sunday December 10, 2023 @10:16AM (#38592045)
So, what's the "other side's" argument in this? Usually these opinionated changes come with some level-headed reasoning behind the changes. Or maybe not?
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by lvncelot on Sunday December 10, 2023 @10:24AM (#38592121)
This is what I've been wondering here, as well. So far, the downsides (Change to an almost subconscious muscle-memory-task, added friction) of this are pretty apparent - what even are the upsides of this?
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by vcg3rd on Sunday December 10, 2023 @11:13AM (#38592528)
I use Emacs, mostly for Org Mode, but not registers. I also understand perfectly the problem, and I also can't understand the upside.

The only clue I see is in the polite objection the author quotes who writes "I agree it's safer..."

But I don't understand safer in what way or why 1 person gets to decide safer=better=forced.

Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by rjzzleep on Sunday December 10, 2023 @10:32AM (#38592177)
Attracting new users for with the old behaviour is too complex maybe?
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by samus on Sunday December 10, 2023 @11:30AM (#38592679)
The new behavior doesn't make me want to invest effort in learning registers. A notification in the status bar which register just got filled would be all I want.
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by mahkoh on Sunday December 10, 2023 @12:13PM (#38593060)
I believe Mozilla has been successful with a similar strategy.
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by dromtrund on Sunday December 10, 2023 @11:13AM (#38592521)
Isn't named registers an advanced enough feature that it shouldn't be optimized for new users?
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by lstodd on Sunday December 10, 2023 @10:26AM (#38592139)
Yeah, sure. People tried for years to extract the reasoning behind Gnome 2 to Gnome 3 changes and still no one has any idea.

Almost as it's just and only petty power trips.

Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by domq on Monday December 11, 2023 @03:14AM (#38598614)
The “or maybe not?” part of the message you are replying to, tells me that someone got told.
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by stjohnswarts on Monday December 11, 2023 @08:56AM (#38600652)
Gnome developers gave pretty thorough reasons why they made certain changes in UI and code design, or was I hallucinating that period of my life? I mean, just because one doesn't like designers' choices doesn't equate to "couldn't extract reasoning". Also, it's their project, and I hate that they ignored the user community it still fell under their authority to do it and let users decide if they would tolerate it or move to a different windowing system. Personally I just moved back to KDE and have stayed there, other than very limited resource systems where I use lxde or just straight terminal+tmux.
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by morelisp on Sunday December 10, 2023 @10:26AM (#38592135)
I imagine it's that reading user input through something other than the minibuffer is annoying, because if you have customized your input/editing keys, read-key generally won't reflect that.
Re:Bad NEWS, Emacs by nanny on Sunday December 10, 2023 @03:05PM (#38594511)