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Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by skygazer on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:09PM (#38577193)
In my experience, incoming SMS are mostly spam, and other low trust notifications, while incoming iMessages, even if unknown to me, are likely to be real people. Buying an Apple device is an expensive signal, and Apple will quickly shut down abusers, maintaining that relatively high bar.

Letting (actual) Android users use iMessage probably wouldn’t affect that, but the open source hack/reversing of it opened the door to iMessage spam that Apple, for the sake of reputation, and customer satisfaction, is obliged to close.

Anyway, I guess my point is that there are some “burdens” that are less obvious than others.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by vachina on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:45PM (#38577485)
Huh, I used to receive spam on iMessage with blue bubbles. In fact the only blue bubbles I receive are spam.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by Analemma_ on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:54PM (#38577556)
If you're going to lie about this, it would help to actually be familiar with the application you're lying about. For starters, received messages in iMessage are always gray, regardless of the recipient. It's the outgoing messages that are blue or not blue.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by vachina on Saturday December 09, 2023 @12:02AM (#38578766)
I’m not lying. Also not sure why I’m downvoted. I occasionally receive spam messages from iMessage users, not conventional SMS. I do not know how these spammers manage to send them, but the senders are always identified with an email in the app, that’s how I could tell it apart from conventional SMS.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by skygazer on Saturday December 09, 2023 @01:39AM (#38579270)
I guess (based on the skeptical reactions) your experience is atypical now-a-days, but based on your comment, I did find a 2014 wired article saying that while previously unheard of, iMessage now [then] accounted for 30% of spam, from email addresses like you described. I had no idea. Somehow I avoided that. I didn’t find anything more recent, though, so maybe it’s less of a problem now?

https://www.wired.com/2014/08/apples-imessage-is-being-taken...

I do know first hand that Apple will turn off (starting at several days) an Apple user’s ability to use iMessage if they get even several reports, though.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by rezonant on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:04PM (#38577648)
The GP is using a euphemism popular in the US. Indeed, the sent messages are colored not the received ones, but the euphemism labels the cause of the color, not the person receiving the text. If you are not from the US I'm sure this is weird.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by rafabulsing on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:11PM (#38577700)
Wait, what? Android user here so I might just be confused, but my impression always was that it's the received messages that are different, hence the whole blue/green bubble debacle, and Android users being bullied for having green bubble texts.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by rezonant on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:18PM (#38577757)
See my sibling comment for an explanation.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by Pulcinella on Saturday December 09, 2023 @02:41PM (#38585166)
Received messages are always grey. It's sent messgaes that change colors. So a message from an Android, iPhone, windows phone, feature phone, etc. will always appear with a grey bubble. A sent imessage message to an iPhone user will be blue. A sent SMS text message to a iphone, android phone, feature phone, etc. will be in a green bubble.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by meindnoch on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:05PM (#38577658)
Why lie?
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by rezonant on Friday December 08, 2023 @09:21PM (#38577791)
This isn't a useful comment, you're just assuming your experience is valid and others who disagree aren't, and using it to sling accusations of dishonesty.

If spam is really the problem Apple is worried about, then isn't it conceivable that it happens and that Apple has to work to keep spam low so you have a good experience? Such work is ongoing and sometimes spam gets through anyway. I don't think we should assume Apple's protections on occasional spam are perfect.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by empyrrhicist on Friday December 08, 2023 @10:55PM (#38578400)
Who is talking about SMS? Not I.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by skygazer on Friday December 08, 2023 @11:44PM (#38578674)
I mention SMS as a natural contrast to iMessage and to illustrate the annoyances which may burden iMessage if opened up blindly to any bot — a different variety of burdensome.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by skygazer on Saturday December 09, 2023 @10:44PM (#38588846)
Apple's statement: "At Apple, we build our products and services with industry-leading privacy and security technologies designed to give users control of their data and keep personal information safe. We took steps to protect our users by blocking techniques that exploit fake credentials in order to gain access to iMessage. These techniques posed significant risks to user security and privacy, including the potential for metadata exposure and enabling unwanted messages, spam, and phishing attacks. We will continue to make updates in the future to protect our users."