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Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by echelon on Friday December 08, 2023 @06:44PM (#38576460)
It's time that we as an industry push back against Apple and Google.

The smartphone is the single most important device for modern life and society. It's news, photos, communications with loved ones, work, entertainment, food, paying for practically everything...

And it's just two companies. Two companies with an iron grip over such a wide and diverse set of functionalities that, taken together, should be as inalienable as free speech.

- They control what you can put on the devices (or in the cases where they're open, they scare you or make it exceedingly difficult).

- They tax all innovation happening on the platform. Because web is second class. If you build an app, you have to pay for ads against your own brand. You can't have a customer relationship (yet Google and Apple get that). You have to keep up with their release cycles on their timeline. They can deny you or ban you at any point. They take 30% of your margin. You're forced to use their billing. In many cases, they actively develop software that competes with you.

- They're extremely user hostile. The devices aren't easily repairable, the batteries force upgrade cycles, and they do stupid things that make your kids want to buy the most expensive model for clout. Green and blue bubbles, etc.

- On top of this, they're gradually eating away at every related industry. The music industry. The credit cards and payments and finance industry. The film industry. It's all getting absorbed into the blob that is the locked down smartphone.

- They turn their devices into "CSAM detection dragnets" (read: five eyes, US, China, and every other entity that wants to surveil).

This is fucking absurd and it needs to stop.

We need more than two device and platform manufactures.

Apps should be at least one of: (1) portable, (2) freely installable from the web without scare tactics, (3) web should be first class / native

The device provider shouldn't be able to use their platform play to maintain dominance. The cost of switching should be zero until there are enough new peer-level competitors.

I could keep going... the status quo is a tax on the public, a tax on innovation, and a really overall unfortunate situation.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by chx on Friday December 08, 2023 @07:20PM (#38576789)
> They take 30% of your margin.

that would be nicer than the current situation where they take away 30% of your revenue

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by rezonant on Friday December 08, 2023 @07:02PM (#38576639)
Agreed with all of this. I'm happy to see others who care about these issues- all too often on HN that's not the case :-\
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by WWLink on Friday December 08, 2023 @07:37PM (#38576935)
It's really not just two companies trying to pull this bullshit. Microsoft and Samsung also try to do the "ecosystem" bullshit. If you try to use a streaming music service other than Spotify, you'll eventually notice almost all social media has an exclusive connection with Spotify to do things like share "now playing" songs or your playlists or whatever. Retail companies tried to force everyone into their payment platform lol. Banks try to force you to only use iOS or locked-down android distros. (Some are even deprecating their desktop websites and forcing you to download the app now, apparently).

There's also the mountain of 'mobile first' (aka mobile-only) garbage out there, and stuff that is nerfed on mobile unless you download the app (so they can squeeze telemetry out of you).

Don't get me wrong, I'm not defending Apple or Google - far from it - but I'm saying there's a lot of real crap going on in tech right now.

To be fair, I am a curious person and use both android and iOS. I use onedrive and (sigh) icloud for storing photos. On my android phone, I can actually have it sync pictures to onedrive and nowhere else (and it'll free up the storage, even! I think...). On iOS it either fills your phone up and then nags you constantly to manually delete pictures, or you use iCloud. There's no other choice.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by fsflover on Friday December 08, 2023 @07:01PM (#38576622)
The alternative phones outside the duopoly exist.

Sent from my Librem 5.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by nvy on Friday December 08, 2023 @07:24PM (#38576817)
Have Purism solved the problem where it will randomly burn through an entire battery charge in an hour?

That basically makes it a non-option for the overwhelming majority of people, and it was still an issue 6 months ago.

I really want to like the Librem but it's hard to justify the price tag when you're going to have to carry another phone around with you anyway.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by Hackbraten on Saturday December 09, 2023 @03:02AM (#38579736)
I use a Librem 5 as my daily driver without carrying a second phone around.

The battery thing is not an issue for me in practice. I carry a spare battery (they're swappable), but I never actually need it because there's USB-C chargers everywhere I go, and I made it a habit to plug it in whenever I can.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by nvy on Saturday December 09, 2023 @10:54PM (#38588893)
Look, no offense but it sounds like the battery thing is an issue for you in practice, as evidenced by the fact that you carry a spare battery and plug it into a charger multiple times per day.

A phone should adapt to your lifestyle. You should not have to adapt your lifestyle to your phone.

Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by fsflover on Sunday December 10, 2023 @09:30AM (#38591718)
Linux phones can't benefit from 10 years of software optimizations for the battery life, so yes. However it's good enough for non-heavy usage already.
Re:Apple cuts off Beeper Mini's access by fsflover on Saturday December 09, 2023 @04:04AM (#38580061)
I don't have such issue. The battery is sufficient for one day unless I use the phone heavily.

Edit: Actually it did happen when I opened a Firefox tab with a heavy js and left it open with deactivated suspend, which you shouldn't do on any phone (and even then it's more than a couple of hours).