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Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by ls612 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:38PM (#38564739)
No, the expectation is that the government can put up speed cameras everywhere and make a shit ton of money.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Nthringas on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:39PM (#38564747)
i'm pretty sure that's only a legit business model in the usa
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by sva_ on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:59PM (#38564924)
The 100k population German city I live in recently reported they made 2 million Euro in this year so far (using speed cameras alone.) That doesn't seem like nothing.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by jacquesm on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:00PM (#38564937)
2 million / year is 5500 euros / day or about 100 infractions. On a city of 100k I'd say they missed a couple ;)
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by sva_ on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:04PM (#38564963)
A lot are actually missed by not getting a good photo and probably other reasons. I've seen the flashing light around 4 to 5 times already, but have only ever gotten 1 ticket (where they changed the speed from 50 to 30 and immediately put up a camera - bastards.)
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by jacquesm on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:11PM (#38565006)
They probably get great photos but the camera may be set to the actual limit whereas the fine only comes when you exceed that limit by a certain amount.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by twelve40 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:18PM (#38565044)
> i'm pretty sure that's only a legit business model in the usa

lolwut? i haven't gotten a single camera-based ticket, ever - many decades of driving in the US - unlike say Italy where every time i drive (about once in 5 years) i seem to break some stupid minor rule and get a photo ticket

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by mynegation on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:48PM (#38564835)
Oh let me tell you about a speed camera on Parkside drive in Toronto that makes city literal millions every year.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by worg on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:46PM (#38564817)
Nope that's a business model in Mexico too
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by askvictor on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:51PM (#38564857)
Australia has entered the chat
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Teever on Thursday December 07, 2023 @09:40PM (#38564758)
Why the cynical take?

Do you really think that in a country with extensive rail and a bicycle culture as a national identity that the reason for reduced speed limits is a cash grab?

Is it so alien to you to consider that perhaps the country is implementing these kinds of laws to reduce the harmful effects of automobiles with the ultimate end game being the extinction of car culture?

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by Kim_Bruning on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:24PM (#38565075)
The end goal is not the extinction of car culture. The end goal is to get everyone from A to B safely and swiftly, regardless of transport mode.

Basically if you put Germans and Dutch people together, they'll argue which country has the best car infrastructure. The grass is greener on the other side. Dutch people say you can go faster on German roads, while Germans say that the dutch speed limits make traffic more smooth and logical.

Either way, once you drive out to the highway you can theoretically lock the cruise control to 100 km/h [1] (including on intersections) until ~5-10 min from your destination.[2] That's not a bad country for cars!

[1] Except eg. Amsterdam ring-road which is 80 km/h. Exception that proves the rule.

[2] I did say theoretically. Roads ARE busy and you may need to tap the brakes sometimes. Though... in practice I'm willing to bet that on any given day some number of people actually manage to achieve this by accident. (outside rush hour and with a little luck)

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by ls612 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @10:23PM (#38565072)
Because I see technology as a being used as a means to social control and authoritarian rule. Most HN commenters are perfectly willing to see this as well when it comes to DRM, remote attestation, secure boot, etc, but magically forget that when discussion of traffic and cars comes up.
Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by piva00 on Friday December 08, 2023 @04:27AM (#38567017)
It's not authoritarian rule and social control to limit the speed of death machines inside a dense city. I don't want fast cars in my city, I don't want the noise, the fatalities or injuries, nor the pollution.

Cars are a privilege, you need a licence from the government to drive them, are you going to advocate for removing driver licencing as well? Because that's pretty much full government control over who can drive or not. Pretty authoritarian, no?

Re:Amsterdam Switches to 30 Km/h on 80% of its Roads by bryanlarsen on Friday December 08, 2023 @08:28AM (#38568757)
Cars not bikes makes a compelling case that the Netherlands is the best place in the world to drive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8RRE2rDw4k