Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by wharvle on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:38AM
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You’re exactly as forced as people are forced to have a job.
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Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:44AM
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I believe you are arguing I could always choose not to work. I wish to work for an employer and the employer wishes to work with me. In this hypothetical there is required membership with an unrelated party I do not wish to associate with.
If I wanted to go to a coffee shop and that shop wanted to serve me coffee but the mafia is standing outside saying I have to pay them before I can go in, they are in fact forcing me to pay or turn away.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by wharvle on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:45AM
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The party’s not unrelated.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:46AM
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Yes, in both cases.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by wharvle on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:53AM
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Are boards of directors unrelated parties you’re forced to associate with if you don’t want to severely limit your employment options?
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @11:58AM
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The people the owners of the company have selected to run the company on their behalf are directly related to a company. I fail to see the similarity.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by wharvle on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:00PM
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It’s a legally required body for many companies. It’s being imposed by law. Same as required unions would be.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:12PM
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I've never been forced to become a member of a corporate board. This proposal however is that I be required to join a union. That is the material difference.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by wharvle on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:24PM
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True. You’re merely forced to be subject to their decisions, made on behalf of and in the interest of people who aren’t you.
[edit] I’m getting the sense that if we just restructure this so the union exists and does normal union stuff but you don’t have to “be a member” (but do have to abide by its decisions or else leave, as with a board) you’d be ok with it? Like it’s mainly a semantic problem?
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:33PM
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I see it as more than a semantic problem, but the problem does boil down to the membership. If they are the lawful structure I'll abide by their decisions, I just don't want to be forced to join.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by Apocryphon on Thursday December 07, 2023 @12:50PM
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So it’s exactly the same as a union, in a situation where the union is the lawful structure of worker bodies in the country you’re working in.
Re:Swedish Tesla strike goes international as Norwegian and ...
by throwawa14223 on Thursday December 07, 2023 @01:23PM
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I hate the idea. I've been in a union once and will never willingly do that again, but it would be more palatable if they couldn't claim me as a 'member'.