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Re:Gemini: Google's most capable AI model yet by danpalmer on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @11:05AM (#38545700)
Bard isn't a model, it's a product. Saying comparisons against "Bard" without specifying a particular point in time are like analyses of "ChatGPT" without specifying a model. There have been a number of releases adding more features, tool use, making it smarter, and crucially adding more languages. ChatGPT is not fine-tuned in different languages – it manages them but lacks cultural context. That's one place Bard is quite far ahead from what I've seen.
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Re:Gemini: Google's most capable AI model yet by willsmith72 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @11:13AM (#38545831)
all that shows is that google screwed up their positioning, and openai got it right

people don't see a difference between model and product, they think "gpt3 is ok", "gpt4 is great", "bard is like gpt3"

it's not the consumer's fault when the business has a positioning mistake, the business has to try and win the consumer back

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Re:Gemini: Google's most capable AI model yet by danpalmer on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @11:17AM (#38545891)
Most people don't use LLMs. Of those that do most people just know they're using "ChatGPT". A slim minority care about the model.

In my opinion, not focusing on the model, focusing on the product, and focusing on positioning for normal users (free, fast, fine tuned in many languages, "easy"), is a better product positioning.

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Re:Gemini: Google's most capable AI model yet by willsmith72 on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @11:37AM (#38546169)
> In my opinion, not focusing on the model, focusing on the product, and focusing on positioning for normal users (free, fast, fine tuned in many languages, "easy"), is a better product positioning.

Does google agree? doesn't the fact that they're so deliberately creating user-focused branding for different models (ultra, pro, nano) show they also see the value in the differentiation?

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Re:Gemini: Google's most capable AI model yet by danpalmer on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @12:02PM (#38546509)
I can't speak for Google, and must emphasise that these are personal opinions. However I'd say that this entire marketing push is mostly for the super-engaged early adopters, not targeted at the general public. Looking at the YouTube videos, the more they seem to be targeted towards a general audience the less they mention these specifics. So, I suspect that the Ultra/Pro/Nano branding will mostly be used on the advanced Bard product that they speak about in the launch blog post, and on the APIs available to developers.
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