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Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by dd_xplore on Monday December 04, 2023 @12:58AM (#38514143)
Don't let the humans know or they'll start reducing their efforts in afforestation.
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by Log_out_ on Monday December 04, 2023 @02:00AM (#38514415)
? That is like stating trees and grass suddenly producing 20%leaves, wood or grassand that for once simply doesn't match any experienced reality.
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by vlovich123 on Monday December 04, 2023 @03:54AM (#38515098)
Or that previous models were more inaccurate than the newest one. Or the newest one is overly optimistic.
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by kolinko on Monday December 04, 2023 @07:08AM (#38516278)
or roots or exchanging it with ground somehow
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by PeterStuer on Monday December 04, 2023 @02:24AM (#38514541)
'may' being the key word here. This is just one model out of hundreds that so far have not gotten concensus support.

Remember: 'All models are wrong, some are usefull'. The former is a certainty, the latter only time will tell.

Forgive my scepticism. I live in a region where cutting down forests that are hundreds of years old and incinerating them is concidered 'carbon neutral' because lobbyists managed to influence an Excel formula, and eliminating forests for swampland is cheered on by 'ecologists' because the forests were planted in the middle ages to drain the swamps and provide hunting grounds and are thus 'fake' according to some arbitrary choice of historical reference.

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by Log_out_ on Monday December 04, 2023 @02:27AM (#38514568)
Germany? The cultists go medieval on the weak while prostrating themselves before the car industry..
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by Obscurity4340 on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:08AM (#38518170)
Originalism abounds
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by macilacilove on Monday December 04, 2023 @03:58AM (#38515119)
Feels like we need to have less than 1% uncertainity in that parameter.
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by credit_guy on Monday December 04, 2023 @07:37AM (#38516519)
Plants don't hide the CO2 in some secret place. All the CO2 they absorb becomes cellulose, i.e. the plant itself. You can measure how much CO2 a tree has absorbed by putting it on a scale.

I guess they simply want to say there's 20% more plant mass than previously thought. Which might be true, but it's also very likely within the error bars.

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by AeiumNE on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:08AM (#38518171)
I like the first principles thinking, but what if they do have a secret place?

What if it goes to the roots and then into fungi and bacteria in the soil or something?

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by calamari4065 on Monday December 04, 2023 @09:38PM (#38526378)
I'm no plant surgeon, but this is correct. Many plants host symbiotic microorganism ecologies in their root system. Usually they help with pre-processing key nutrients (mainly nitrogen) to make it easier for the plant to absorb, and they take a little food out of the roots in return.

By the same token, plants convert carbon into fruit, which animals eat and then metabolize back into CO2. At the end of the day, all of a plant's captured carbon will return to the ecosystem one way or another. Most of the time, anyway.

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by paholg on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:30AM (#38542984)
You could do an experiment where you have a plant in a pot on a scale, weigh how much water you give it, and calculate expected evaporation.

Then, at some point, remove and weigh the plant to see if it contains all of the accumulated mass.

If I recall correctly, other than the last step, that was how someone first noticed that plants must be gaining mass from the air.

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by nervousvarun on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:31AM (#38518466)
At the risk of sounding incredibly ignorant here (which I am) and also apologize in advance for the joking tone for what is a very serious topic...

Couldn't it also be that they can absorb more CO2 when there is more CO2 and that the global rate of absorption is scaling w/ increased CO2?

Maybe plants are gluttonous? Maybe plants will soon be dealing with their own obesity health crisis (that as a side-effect benefits the planet)?

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by whythre on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:44AM (#38518650)
Not sure if this is just a tongue in cheek response, but cellulose isn’t fat, plants use it to give structure and rigidity to their cell walls. Animal cell walls do have lipids, but these fats not responsible for what makes animals obese.
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by Nasrudith on Monday December 04, 2023 @10:42AM (#38518622)
It is also a matter of other related costs likely hydration or thermal reasons. There are adaptations to recycle carbon within rather than the obvious thing and just open their stomas to get more carbon dioxide.
Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by calamari4065 on Monday December 04, 2023 @09:45PM (#38526460)
There's a finite limit to how fast photosynthesis reactions can go. You're limited by diffusion of molecules through the chloroplast. Water and CO2 molecules have to bump into the active sites in order to react, and this just takes time.

As well, you'll probably be limited by water transport through the plant. Remember that most of the machinery in a plant is not actively powered. Water is drawn up passively through capillaries. Gases are exchanged through simple diffusion.

I'm sure there's more subtle details about the chemistry that puts an upper bound on reaction rate, but I failed chemistry so I can only speculate.

Re:Plants may be absorbing 20% more CO2 than we thought, new... by stonogo on Monday December 04, 2023 @04:52PM (#38523652)
They're not proposing that plants changed. They're proposing that current frequently used carbon cycle models are off.