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Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by JumpCrisscross on Sunday December 03, 2023 @07:19PM (#38512244)
> main issue with Fediverse is the vast majority of people don't know what it is

More awareness won't help while the churn is so high. The Fediverse seems to be happy staying small, actively disdaining the sorts of user-friendly moves that would give them mass appeal (but in the process, perhaps, destroy something its current users find special).

Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by echelon on Sunday December 03, 2023 @08:55PM (#38512867)
> user-friendly moves

Such as? Difficult onboarding?

I still think p2p is the way to go. When I get some time, I want to spin up a little p2p app around sharing ad-free news and commentary. (Articles + photos + threads.)

It can all be ephemeral, because 99% of the use is in the short-term. I rarely if ever access old tweets or Reddit threads.

Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by fy20 on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:27PM (#38513068)
The reason why these things don't take off with non-nerds is because the UI and UX of open source tools almost always sucks. That's it. There's nothing more to it.

Over the weekend there was a post about XMPP and somebody asked for a client with the same level of UX as Telegram. There were a few replies, but none of them were what I would say were anywhere near the same level.

For example one of them had an option to choose between three different methods of encrypting chats, and it was one of the most prominent UI features in the chat window. That's great if you want to feel like James Bond and encrypted chat is your main use case, but 99.9% of people are just sending memes and photos of their cats and don't even know what encrypted means.

Element is doing quite well in this department, but last time I tried (admitidely a couple of years ago) there were still some edge cases.

Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by 8organicbits on Monday December 04, 2023 @12:34AM (#38514037)
> the UI and UX of open source tools almost always sucks.

One interesting outcome of Reddit changing their API pricing was long-time 3rd-party Reddit apps shutting down. Some of those added Lemmy support to their existing UI and importantly thought through new user behavior (like showing a default instance vs forcing users to sign up).

There's still work to be done, but if we're talking about the different between the Official Reddit client and the (now defunct) Boost for Reddit, the latter had better UX. Now that Boost only supports Lemmy and the Reddit app keeps getting enshittified the UX argument is harder to make.

Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by mal-2 on Monday December 04, 2023 @12:31PM (#38520200)
This point is confusing to me because there are so many clients available. Not only in different projects (Misskey/Firefish/Sharkey, Akkoma/Pleroma, glitch-soc), but also from the various compatible clients in the web and mobile (Elk, Semaphore/Enafore/Pinafore, Ice Cubes, Fedilab). Many instances also tweak their frontend to make UX adjustments, which is a lot more difficult in closed source projects.
Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by sleepybrett on Monday December 04, 2023 @02:23PM (#38521838)
The mastodon web client seems pretty similar, qualitatively, to twitters web client. Granted cross-instance search is not a thing but in terms of the timeline and how you interact with it it's largely identical.
Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by iteria on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:00PM (#38512906)
It depends on what you mean by emphemeral because if you mean thr data's existence I would be against it. When I'm new to a domain or topic, I reference old threads all the time. I save links for other people and as reference points for me to dive into later.

Yeah a lot of stuff is what I wouldn't care about 2 minutes after I read it, but the protocol can't really know what any given person will want to come back to.

Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by surge on Sunday December 03, 2023 @08:58PM (#38512888)
Yes, the appeal the Fediverse is that its lack of mass appeal keeps it away from the inevitable Eternal September or Enshitification or at least delays it.

In a small way, we can have the Internet of old back, the one where in order to participate in communities online, you weren't driven by algorithmic feeds setup to push ads in front of you constantly, or just generally shit posting about whatever pop culture moment.

Re:The Fediverse is an opportunity learned societies can't i... by mcv on Monday December 04, 2023 @07:14AM (#38516327)
The Fediverse is not a single entity. Anyone who thinks it can be improved, can improve it. There are lots of different systems that are part of the Fediverse. It's not all Mastodon, and some of them have a completely different approach.