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Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by EduardoBautista on Sunday December 03, 2023 @05:52AM (#38506158)
I can’t name a single country that has all of the items you mentioned at the same time. Especially affordable housing.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by linguae on Sunday December 03, 2023 @06:10AM (#38506215)
Japan has all these things. The Tokyo metro area has quite affordable housing by global standards, and housing can be downright cheap in many cities outside Tokyo. Japan has affordable health care and comparatively lenient zoning laws. Japan is famous for its Shinkansen, and there’s a maglev train under construction that will be even faster than existing Shinkansen lines. For local transit Tokyo’s subway and train system continues to improve.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by John23832 on Sunday December 03, 2023 @06:13AM (#38506227)
And what they then lack is a young and growing populous, which are who all the previously mentioned benefits should be for. Nothing is perfect.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by gregjor on Sunday December 03, 2023 @07:26AM (#38506577)
The US also has an increasingly geriatric population. Japan has a lead in declining birth rate and increasingly aged population, but the US and western Europe (and China) have the same problem.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by jfim on Sunday December 03, 2023 @08:44AM (#38507005)
The US compensates its declining birth rate by a large influx of immigrants. In comparison, Japan's immigration numbers are tiny: https://data.oecd.org/chart/5StJ
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by gregjor on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:37AM (#38507356)
Immigration won't make future generations of Americans larger than the generation before them. We're just losing ground slower than Japan. Much studied and commented on. Tl;dr immigrants have lower birth rate than 100 or 50 years ago.

https://cis.org/Report/Fertility-Among-Immigrants-and-Native...

Japan has started to encourage immigration, but probably too little, too late.

Almost every country in Asia has a declining birth rate.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1171367/apac-total-ferti...

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by nvoeiah on Sunday December 03, 2023 @07:15AM (#38506514)
That is precisely the point. All is cheap and nice because there isn't a young population to buy it. Otherwise it would turn expensive because of simple supply and demand.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by JCharante on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:10AM (#38507187)
it's still possible to realize those gains by moving there though, there's plenty of for example Indians who move to Japan straight out of uni (Japanese companies go recruit Indian grads with 3 or 5 year contracts). Don't even need to be an established professional to move there.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:54AM (#38508473)
Japan isn’t known for being the most open to immigration. But ya, they have a lot of Indians, Chinese, Filipino immigrants.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by ranguna on Sunday December 03, 2023 @06:15AM (#38506233)
Finland?
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by darthrupert on Sunday December 03, 2023 @08:18AM (#38506836)
Finland has 2 high speed trains, and 75km of high speed rail. So, technically yes.

Healthcare is hardly affordable, costs are skyrocketing and meeical staff are overloaded. The system has been overhauled recently, remains to be seen what the effect is.

Cost of living is generally high if you want to live near cities.

Subway lines only in the capital.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @05:56AM (#38506173)
Austria, for one.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @07:35AM (#38506621)
Austria strongly relies on the fact that it is located in a "safe" region, where none of its neighbours is likely to ever attack it. Austrian military expenses are very meager.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @07:56AM (#38506732)
Aren't the US in a safe region as well? They choose to spend a lot in military to project their force globally, not because they need to protect themselves.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by devilbunny on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:01AM (#38507129)
Withdraw the US Navy and watch how fast that evaporates.

Someone has to, or you get piracy. A lot of it. And I don’t mean movies. We have the most to lose from impaired trade, so we pay for it.

We have floating airbases all over the world. As Madeleine Albright said to the president of China, “Jiang Zemin, one of my favorite men, but when you’re not so sweet, I send the Seventh Fleet.”

Nukes mean that no nation-state will attack us openly. The Navy means that fucking with the US is a personal death sentence.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:53AM (#38507461)
I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force.

Why doesn't that happen to Austria, for example, or China?

Perhaps "fucking" with the world is what caused the US to be considered an enemy by so many countries.

Almost like the more they impose their force globally, the more other countries feel the need to resist it.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by devilbunny on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:56AM (#38507993)
The US is not the nicest country in the world. It is, however, the global hegemon. China is a major world power, as the home of the oldest semi-continuous civilization in the world. Austria is a bunch of ski slopes and lakes.

My ancestry is Irish and British. We were apes painting ourselves blue when China was building a world. Austria is beautiful. But it hasn’t been a power for 100 years.

Being in control means making enemies of everyone else who wants to be in control. The US is not an innocent bystander, but you could have worse. Don’t forget that.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:31AM (#38507762)
Not the OP, but I don't understand how you parsed his argument into "I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force"

There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment.

He says that without the US Navy, there would be a lot more piracy on the high seas, and he is likely right. The historical experience from all corners of the world confirms that weakening naval control leads to increase in opportunistic piracy all around. Piracy is one of the oldest organized criminal activities in the world and most civilizations, including the really old ones (like Ancient Egypt) had to deal with it this way or another.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:10AM (#38508085)
> There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment.

From OP:

> Nukes mean that no nation-state will attack us openly. The Navy means that fucking with the US is a personal death sentence.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by devilbunny on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:17AM (#38508144)
Right. But I’m not saying people are dying to attack the US. They largely don’t care about us. I’m saying that you can play games with, say, Austria, that you can’t with the US. And yes, we will hunt you down. Does that make us bad people? No, it’s the consequence of power. If you don’t use it, someone else will. And the US has done a lot of bad things - but name what other country capable of doing it you would prefer to be in charge. Monaco isn’t an option.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:38AM (#38508321)
I get your point of view, but I believe in a multipolar world where no single country can set the rules unilaterally.

China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 03, 2023 @12:00PM (#38508536)
> China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model.

Don’t tell China’s neighbors this. The reason they are so friendly with the USA ATM is that China has long aspired to being (and often is) the regional hegemon (and it’s a huge region).

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Monday December 04, 2023 @05:57AM (#38515830)
Well why shouldn't China aspire to it? The US are the regional hegemon of the americas anyway, and we all know how much blood was spilled to accomplish that.

Latin americans had to be subjugated with brutal anti-communist dictatorships and the US are the ones who made it happen.

Look at what they're doing to Cuba as a punishment for freeing themselves from Batista, the fascist puppet the US forced as a leader in order to protect their interests there.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 04, 2023 @12:44PM (#38520367)
China has around 2-3 thousand years of history in trolling its neighbors, so this is just a normal thing, they've never really been a "peaceful" country (but very few countries have). America has only been around for 2-3 hundred years? Oh, it isn't peaceful either.

You could say the same thing about China invading Vietnam because the Vietnamese overthrew their puppet Pol Pot in Cambodia, that guy said to be even worse than Batista because he literally killed a few million people. But then again, the USA and China were allies at the time (the USA tacitly supported Pol Pot as well, as the enemy of their enemy I guess).

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @02:10PM (#38509797)
" believe in a multipolar world"

There is nothing to believe here, such a world certainly existed before, and will likely soon exist again, but don't rely on it being peaceful.

Competing superpowers, even if avoiding direct confrontation between themselves, will start a lot of proxy wars to push out their adversaries from country X or region Y. See also the entire Cold War 1.0. In multiple places, said war was actually very hot.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Monday December 04, 2023 @05:48AM (#38515787)
Well we have so many wars going on anyway that I start to think the US are a pretty bad hegemon after all, if the goal of hegemony is to prevent conflicts.

So I'll gladly keep some conflict but without Uncle Sam's oppression, thanks.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Monday December 04, 2023 @06:51AM (#38516166)
It is interesting that two people can observe the same situation and come to such different conclusions.

We have so many wars going on precisely because Uncle Sam is slowly losing its hegemonic status - which is not a boolean (true/false), but more of a continuum. If you look at the wars going on, many of those involve US allies vs. allies of smaller powers hostile to the US (Russia, Iran, Venezuela), which is precisely the sort of proxy wars that I was talking about.

IDK where you live, if you're a Latinoamerican, you've had real US oppression - though, let me tell you from the former Eastern Bloc, don't expect Russian or Chinese influence to be any more benign than American one. It is a "choose your poison" situation.

If you are a European, there is no US oppression here. The last European power that was forcibly suppressed by the US was Nazi Germany.

But anyway you can be glad as you wish, because if the current trends continue, you will have a lot more conflicts than today. I am not really sure if "less US influence" will be an upside. Perhaps to you, in your situation, yes.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:29AM (#38507309)
While the US can always decide to turn inward and stop caring about safety of anything else but their own territory, the resulting harm for the US economy and diplomatic relations would be enormous.

The US took over from the British as the power that protects global trade networks, which means patrolling the seas. The capability and willingness to do so attracted a lot of other developed nations into the US-led political coalition, and contributed to enormous growth of international trade (something like 5-fold since the 1970s?)

Without enough of a Navy, this network will disintegrate, or will be taken over by someone else, much like in the UK-to-US case around the time of WWII. Realistically, the only nation capable of doing so is China and I am not even certain if they wanted to, as their international projects like Belt-and-road are being abandoned.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:55AM (#38507473)
So how could China develop so much without that huge network of navy imposing their power globally?

Why does China invest in peaceful commercial agreements (like Belt and road, which is still active btw) while the US invests in global military control?

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:27AM (#38507716)
Belt and Road isn't shuttered down yet, but the volume of new projects under its aegis has gone to approximately zero.

China was able to export its goods to the rest of the world using ships. Those ships sailed mostly safe seas (yeah there are exceptions like the Malacca Straits, where pirates still lurk) without any Chinese navy protection, because those seas were made safe by someone else. That is not hard to understand.

If the global trade as a whole is protected by the US Navy, Chinese trade, a subset thereof, is protected as well.

BTW The US does not have global military control. They do have quite a lot of control of the seas, but dry land is a different story. They had to withdraw from Afghanistan after trying to impose their will for 20 years. They didn't succeed in remaking Iraq to their ally either. And, in the steppes of Ukraine, a war has been raging for almost two years by now, with no end in sight - obviously not "in control" of the US, not least because one of the combatants is a major nuclear power and you cannot have any meaningful military control over a major nuclear power.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by krapp on Sunday December 03, 2023 @06:20AM (#38506254)
I can name a lot that have most of those items. The list of countries that have none is much shorter, and the US is right on top.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by JCharante on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:12AM (#38507198)
Singapore? Does HDB count? Singapore seems to have universal healthcare. Tokyo housing is pretty cheap tbh because you can just live several train stations away and find apartments in the 60k-80k yen/mo range.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:55AM (#38508492)
You can’t move to Singapore and take advantage of that, you need to be a Singapore citizen to get a flat in your mid 30s.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by slaw on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:50AM (#38507448)
China.