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Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @09:53AM (#38507461)
I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force.

Why doesn't that happen to Austria, for example, or China?

Perhaps "fucking" with the world is what caused the US to be considered an enemy by so many countries.

Almost like the more they impose their force globally, the more other countries feel the need to resist it.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by devilbunny on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:56AM (#38507993)
The US is not the nicest country in the world. It is, however, the global hegemon. China is a major world power, as the home of the oldest semi-continuous civilization in the world. Austria is a bunch of ski slopes and lakes.

My ancestry is Irish and British. We were apes painting ourselves blue when China was building a world. Austria is beautiful. But it hasn’t been a power for 100 years.

Being in control means making enemies of everyone else who wants to be in control. The US is not an innocent bystander, but you could have worse. Don’t forget that.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @10:31AM (#38507762)
Not the OP, but I don't understand how you parsed his argument into "I wonder why do you have the perception that half the world would attack the US if they didn't have the largest military force"

There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment.

He says that without the US Navy, there would be a lot more piracy on the high seas, and he is likely right. The historical experience from all corners of the world confirms that weakening naval control leads to increase in opportunistic piracy all around. Piracy is one of the oldest organized criminal activities in the world and most civilizations, including the really old ones (like Ancient Egypt) had to deal with it this way or another.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:10AM (#38508085)
> There is absolutely nothing insinuating this perception in his comment.

From OP:

> Nukes mean that no nation-state will attack us openly. The Navy means that fucking with the US is a personal death sentence.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by devilbunny on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:17AM (#38508144)
Right. But I’m not saying people are dying to attack the US. They largely don’t care about us. I’m saying that you can play games with, say, Austria, that you can’t with the US. And yes, we will hunt you down. Does that make us bad people? No, it’s the consequence of power. If you don’t use it, someone else will. And the US has done a lot of bad things - but name what other country capable of doing it you would prefer to be in charge. Monaco isn’t an option.
Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Sunday December 03, 2023 @11:38AM (#38508321)
I get your point of view, but I believe in a multipolar world where no single country can set the rules unilaterally.

China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by seanmcdirmid on Sunday December 03, 2023 @12:00PM (#38508536)
> China has shown us that you can modernize a country and make it a global actor without imposing yourself as a hegemon, and I choose that as a role model.

Don’t tell China’s neighbors this. The reason they are so friendly with the USA ATM is that China has long aspired to being (and often is) the regional hegemon (and it’s a huge region).

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Monday December 04, 2023 @05:57AM (#38515830)
Well why shouldn't China aspire to it? The US are the regional hegemon of the americas anyway, and we all know how much blood was spilled to accomplish that.

Latin americans had to be subjugated with brutal anti-communist dictatorships and the US are the ones who made it happen.

Look at what they're doing to Cuba as a punishment for freeing themselves from Batista, the fascist puppet the US forced as a leader in order to protect their interests there.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by seanmcdirmid on Monday December 04, 2023 @12:44PM (#38520367)
China has around 2-3 thousand years of history in trolling its neighbors, so this is just a normal thing, they've never really been a "peaceful" country (but very few countries have). America has only been around for 2-3 hundred years? Oh, it isn't peaceful either.

You could say the same thing about China invading Vietnam because the Vietnamese overthrew their puppet Pol Pot in Cambodia, that guy said to be even worse than Batista because he literally killed a few million people. But then again, the USA and China were allies at the time (the USA tacitly supported Pol Pot as well, as the enemy of their enemy I guess).

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Sunday December 03, 2023 @02:10PM (#38509797)
" believe in a multipolar world"

There is nothing to believe here, such a world certainly existed before, and will likely soon exist again, but don't rely on it being peaceful.

Competing superpowers, even if avoiding direct confrontation between themselves, will start a lot of proxy wars to push out their adversaries from country X or region Y. See also the entire Cold War 1.0. In multiple places, said war was actually very hot.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by pastacacioepepe on Monday December 04, 2023 @05:48AM (#38515787)
Well we have so many wars going on anyway that I start to think the US are a pretty bad hegemon after all, if the goal of hegemony is to prevent conflicts.

So I'll gladly keep some conflict but without Uncle Sam's oppression, thanks.

Re:Why the decline of US power has been greatly exaggerated by inglor_cz on Monday December 04, 2023 @06:51AM (#38516166)
It is interesting that two people can observe the same situation and come to such different conclusions.

We have so many wars going on precisely because Uncle Sam is slowly losing its hegemonic status - which is not a boolean (true/false), but more of a continuum. If you look at the wars going on, many of those involve US allies vs. allies of smaller powers hostile to the US (Russia, Iran, Venezuela), which is precisely the sort of proxy wars that I was talking about.

IDK where you live, if you're a Latinoamerican, you've had real US oppression - though, let me tell you from the former Eastern Bloc, don't expect Russian or Chinese influence to be any more benign than American one. It is a "choose your poison" situation.

If you are a European, there is no US oppression here. The last European power that was forcibly suppressed by the US was Nazi Germany.

But anyway you can be glad as you wish, because if the current trends continue, you will have a lot more conflicts than today. I am not really sure if "less US influence" will be an upside. Perhaps to you, in your situation, yes.