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Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by rqtwteye on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:21AM (#38488471)
I am 50+. I call people often and encourage people to call me without the typical hours long build up per chat "Hi", "Hi", "How are you?", "Good", "I have a question", "OK", "Can I call you?", "Yes", "Now?", Yes" and so on. I think remote work loses a lot of agility if you communicate only through chat.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by NegativeK on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:33AM (#38488652)
I dislike phone calls, but handle them in two ways:

If a chat conversation isn't getting a point across after a couple of back and forths (five minutes is too long,) then it's time for a phone call. Discussions in chat are fine. Flat out lack of understanding is best fixed when they can hear and interrupt for clarification.

If I do need to call someone, I simply message them and ask if they're available for a call. There's no need for preamble.

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by kaoD on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:31AM (#38488612)
Seems like you (and/or your interlocutors) are using chat like it was a phone call and concluding a phone call is better to have phone calls.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by flappyeagle on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:01PM (#38489945)
That’s some boomer slack usage. If anyone sends a message with “hi” they get a stern bollocking by me immediately. Our company handbook specifically forbids doing this.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by rpmisms on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:11PM (#38490868)
Can you say "Hi, I need XYZ"? Or are pleasantries forbidden?
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by SAI_Peregrinus on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:47PM (#38492147)
That's usually not an issue. It's the empty "Hi." and then indefinite silence that's an issue.

You wouldn't send a letter with just the salutation, you'd include the message! Why treat a Slack message like it's a phone call instead of like a (short, rapidly delivered) letter?

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by rpmisms on Saturday December 02, 2023 @01:35AM (#38496471)
Agreed, just wanted clarification!
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by rqtwteye on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:28PM (#38491875)
The boomers actually get to the point quickly. The young guys are the ones that send ten messages before getting to the point.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by helij on Saturday December 02, 2023 @03:21PM (#38501688)
This. All most of 20-30 that I interact with are. Hi, how are you doing today? And then pause. Boomers just go straight to the point.

I'm also huge proponent of https://nohello.net/en/ in the workplace and elsewhere.

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by potta_coffee on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:09PM (#38490062)
You can call but I might be taking a dump or something. If you chat, I'll answer within a couple of minutes. Seems more efficient to me.
Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by krisoft on Friday December 01, 2023 @01:51PM (#38490627)
That feels like more of a problem with the communication than the medium of it? Or rather to say there is a mismatch between the communication method and the way it is being used.

On async channels it is recommended to get to the point quickly. Sure send pleasantries, but no need to wait until they are answered. You can immediately also get to your point. Instead of sending "hello" and then waiting you would be sending "Hello. I hope you are having a good day. It seems that the turbo encabulator is complaining a vapour lock in the secondary log file. Have you seen that before?"

The https://nohello.net/en/ site describes this communication style better.

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by bluefirebrand on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:03PM (#38490774)
I am a strong believer in "nohello" https://nohello.net/en/

If you use chat like it's a conversation then you'll have a bad time.

If you use it like it's business communication like short-form email it's better.

It's bizarre that the same people who will send an email that says "Hey, send me this information asap" will start a text chat with "hey how's it going"

People who say hello and then wait for a reply will wait a long, long time for a reply from me.

Re:Return to office is 'dead,' Stanford economist says by DebtDeflation on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:35PM (#38492770)
People starting chats with "Hi".....5 minute wait......"You there?" is an entirely separate problem not related to what we're discussing here.