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Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by roydivision on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:55AM (#38484287)
I realised recently that most media recommenders don't work for me because they are based on genre. If you like The Watchmen film, you're sure to like Marvel films because they're also action, and based on comics. We see you listened to Pearl Jam a lot, you're going to get a kick out of Nirvana.

That's just not how I work. I like _good_ stuff, I don't confine myself to genres, I'll go anywhere if it's half decent. I want a service that says hey, you listened to Benny Goodman's Sing Sing Sing, you should check out The Thirteenth Floor Elevators' first album.

The only recommendation that kinda works for me is based on an aggregation of what other people listened a lot to. Sure on small data sets that is probably going to be genre biased, but on large sets it can start working and break out of that.

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by jefc1111 on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:59AM (#38484693)
I am like this also. It's tricky though because I think people hear 'quality' in different ways. Some people focus on lyrics, some like cultural identity, some people are probably responding at a more 'primal' level, i.e. just to the pure energy / emotion. But I do think it is different for everybody and does bear some relation to the individual's level of musical awareness and how much time and effort they invest in cultivating their own taste. I once worked with someone who when asked "What kind of music are you into?" answered "I don't really listen to music". Shocking!

The best way I have found to find new stuff is just to listen to lots and lots of music, and follow different leads. It's hardy a chore doing so!

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by roydivision on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:24AM (#38485930)
"I don't really listen to music" == "I don't breathe much".

Way back I had friends over, one of them was looking through my CD collection which was minimal at the time, maybe 60 CDs. "Wow, you have a lot of CDs, do you listen to all of them?"

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by turboponyy on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:09AM (#38488327)
> "I don't really listen to music" == "I don't breathe much".

Could you elaborate?

I definitely used to be a person who just didn't listen to music - I found it quite boring, really. I've since found genres that I like that I listen to on occasion, but definitely still not as frequently as the average person.

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by roydivision on Wednesday December 06, 2023 @07:04AM (#38542768)
This wasn’t meant as a judgement whatsoever. Others would say the same about, say football, which I just don’t relate to. The comment was relating my experience with music, it’s like I can barely live without it.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by erellsworth on Friday December 01, 2023 @12:06PM (#38489139)
Fun fact: Jeff Bezos doesn't like music.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by dieselgate on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:05AM (#38484724)
That's why "quality" radio can be so powerful: it's not uncommon for DJs to curate a set based on "songs with the same musician" or "original song and remakes/samples from the original" and the like.

Not that it's guaranteed to be "good" stuff but at least unique and more memorable in my experience

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by jefc1111 on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:32AM (#38484893)
Any recommendations? I listen to BBC 6 Music a lot. Tried various others but nothing really 'stuck'. Always fun to have a fly around on https://radio.garden also. KEXP have some great performances on youtube, I should try listening to the radio station probably. Although saying that, neither 6 Music or KEXP (or others I have tried) seem to go quite obscure enough for me. i like pop / rock / indie but also experimental rock, lo-fi, noise, etc
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by roydivision on Friday December 01, 2023 @05:27AM (#38485236)
BBC 6 Music is a great example of what I'm talking about, they have such excellent taste. I've discovered so much great music listening to them.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by alt227 on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:08AM (#38486803)
IMO 6Music is the pinnacle of this concept. I have yet to find a better source of new 'good' music. I try to listen to it as much as possible.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by jefc1111 on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:41AM (#38487194)
I made a 6 Music 'now playing' app (https://radio-tracker.geoffclayton.com/) so I could easily keep track of things I liked. I kept hearing things then forgetting... I never _quite_ finished it, so never really advertised its existence, but over the course of year it has collected some interesting stats. It's there and it works, anyway! Mainly the Spotify integration part is not quite finished.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by d--b on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:39AM (#38484931)
I used to listen to bbc 6 music a lot. These days I listen to fip.fr it’s a French national radio, that pans all genres, and is very well curated. There is no ads, and very few people talking.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by 2big2fail_47 on Friday December 01, 2023 @07:43AM (#38486052)
Def. NTS-Radio Love it
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by grp on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:38AM (#38484926)
NTS does the job well for me:

https://www.nts.live/

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by grgbrn on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:52AM (#38487340)
Seconded! I would highly recommend NTS. Their archive is great, dives into almost anything you can think of
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by jefc1111 on Friday December 01, 2023 @11:28AM (#38488576)
Been listening for a couple of hours or so. Love it, cheers.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by xocdan on Friday December 01, 2023 @05:50AM (#38485366)
Not necessarily obscure enough for you but I recommend https://radioparadise.com.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by redler on Friday December 01, 2023 @09:22AM (#38486979)
Radio Paradise is good for this.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by lozf on Friday December 01, 2023 @12:30PM (#38489437)
I'm a big fan of Chile based Radio Isla Negra (available in Slow beat and upbeat as well as the regular eclectic selection on a well curated playlist.) No Ads, No DJs, just an occasional jingle. Much of it is just "new to me" rather than strictly "new", but it's one of the new I can enjoy leaving on for hours (or days) at a time without finding it irritating enough to change stations.

https://radioislanegra.com

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by karmakaze on Friday December 01, 2023 @03:14AM (#38484400)
I was about to say something similar, that associating by artist is too coarse. It should be at the song (or possibly album or artist+date) level.
Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by d--b on Friday December 01, 2023 @04:42AM (#38484964)
Came here to say this exactly. I like Mac Miller and Kendrick Lamar, but as far as hip hop goes these are the only two artists I enjoy listening to.

In electronic music, I listen to Aphex Twin, which is pretty hardcord, but can’t really fathom anything else.

My tastes are really clear cut, but not around artist similarity.

Re:Music-Map – Find Similar Music by jug on Friday December 01, 2023 @06:49AM (#38485741)
Yeah, a bare minimum for this is probably to give at _least_ two songs and not just one. What is "good" is still subjective but given a few more data points and the gist of those enjoying all those should also be able to better provide what else these users enjoy.