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Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by jimbob45 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @02:07AM (#38470590)
Cell phones were a huge mistake. I was walking my dog and saw someone eyes fully down doing 20 in the street. It was late and empty but if anyone had been in the street, they’d have been dead.

That distraction didn’t exist 25 years ago on the scale it does today. I wish cell phone use penalties would be promoted closer to those of alcohol use while driving.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by euroderf on Thursday November 30, 2023 @02:58AM (#38470915)
Turning the passenger compartment into a Faraday cage might be a start, altho people would hack around it.
Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by civilitty on Thursday November 30, 2023 @07:09AM (#38472505)
> altho people would hack around it.

By opening a window?

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by euroderf on Friday December 01, 2023 @02:13AM (#38484053)
By running an antenna out the window ? And duct tape it to something to secure it.
Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by close04 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @03:23AM (#38471099)
> Cell phones were a huge mistake

This kind of exaggeration undermines any point. An invention as useful as the cell phone was a mistake because people (ab)use it while driving? Any invention is used and abused but the benefits of this invention far outweigh the drawbacks. I'm sure more lives were saved by the mobile phone, and even more were made better, than were taken.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by Aerbil313 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @07:09AM (#38472504)
Cell phones were a mistake in the sense that all organization-dependent technology was a mistake. People of the past lived more happy and in-peace years of life despite child mortality, diseases, manual labor, wars, violence, inequality etc. Reason is that no matter how you look at it, either from a evolutionary or a creationist standpoint, human mind-body is literally not designed to live in this world of convenience and ease. There is friction, a lot, which we try to adapt to and fail, and will continue to fail. Nor do we evolve in timescales of 300 years.

No unga-bunga is speaking here. NixOS-loving Rust-writing software dev. Read some Ted Kaczynski folks.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by CraigJPerry on Thursday November 30, 2023 @04:33AM (#38471510)
Mobile phone use is just a symptom. Everyone fiddling with their fancy in-car radio with distracting bright flashing display in the 90s was just a symptom. People fixing their hair in the mirror in the 70s while driving was just a symptom.

It doesn’t matter what distractions you remove - ban eating and drinking (even water) while driving, impose ruinous fines for those caught… none of it will work.

You need to address the root cause, not the symptom.

The root cause is unspeakable. You will face extreme repulsion if you choose to openly discuss the root cause in this society because it would mean tough questions for our cultural identity.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by unsupp0rted on Thursday November 30, 2023 @04:51AM (#38471618)
What’s the root cause?

Unspeakable, unimaginable, impossible to write in a sentence on HN?

To me the root cause is that 2-ton metal bricks shouldn’t be propelled at 50 kph, much less 140 kph, by tired hairless apes with tired ape reflexes, ape kids in the backseat, listening to other apes on podcasts, or talking even hands free with ape friends or ape spouses.

We were never designed for this. It’s guaranteed to be a leading cause of death and life-changing injury, so long as we keep it up.

Is that unthinkable or unspeakable? I say it on HN all the time.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by Comfy-Tinwork on Thursday November 30, 2023 @05:57AM (#38472014)
We weren't designed for anything. We take metal from ore and make metals which we shape and make thin to cut other apes in some cases to make them better even.

They're good apes brant

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by unsupp0rted on Thursday November 30, 2023 @06:05AM (#38472071)
If you were to have 80% of adults performing surgery every morning and every evening, tired and distracted, you wouldn’t be surprised when surgical accidents become the #3 cause of death.
Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by tim333 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @06:51AM (#38472379)
You can say that fine. It's a reason I'm keen on self driving tech. Which usually on HN leads to a conversation along the lines of it'll never work, Musk is a fraud... but Waymo actually works... and round in circles.

On a more immediate time frame, road engineering can work really well which is why deaths are like 5x lower in places like Holland. Put bends and obstacles in the road and drivers will either have to pay attention or hit them.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by mistercheph on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:07PM (#38475945)
I agree with this 100% WRT you and excluding everyone else.
Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by alistairSH on Thursday November 30, 2023 @02:29PM (#38477990)
What’s the root cause?

Cynical answer: Humans.

Slightly less cynical: Cars.

We've built an environment (in the US, at least) where driving a car is basically a requirement to participate in society. So, people drive, whether they want to or not. And they drive whether they're physically or mentally capable of doing so successfully.

And we're so entrenched in this design that discussion of a change is met with derision and scorn.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by sam345 on Friday December 01, 2023 @10:28AM (#38487843)
We are not apes. Apes can't design, manufacture, distribute, and buy automobiles. Apes can't drive. At all. Thank God we are not apes nor live, nor travel like them. We are able and should create technology that betters our lives. We can and have made reasonable cost/benefit decisions on risks required for these technologies.
Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by tim333 on Thursday November 30, 2023 @06:46AM (#38472341)
I was driving in the 90s and mucking around with the radio was quite different to using a smartphone these days. You'd maybe flip stations every 20 mins when one got annoying and it didn't even need taking your eyes off the road generally.
Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by everdrive on Thursday November 30, 2023 @12:20PM (#38476111)
The root cause is human nature, which has been warped by various environmental factors: cell phones, traffic density, lack of experience being the pedestrian, etc.

The human nature isn’t going away, and although the environmental factors are technically under our control, they’re just getting worse.

The fact that technology only made a pre-existing issue worse does not mean that technology is not the problem.

Re:Who makes the most reliable new cars? by koliber on Thursday November 30, 2023 @05:33AM (#38471901)
That's indisputable.

Maybe faraday cages should be mandated in cars, in addition to rear-facing cameras. :)