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Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by ulfw on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @02:31AM (#38456591)
What you describe for your particular Amex card isn't a real credit card either. That's a charge card. Germany doesn't do real credit cards much (if at all?)
Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by lycopodiopsida on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @02:57AM (#38456737)
It does, he could get one from Hanseatic Bank for free, DKB had a proper credit card for years (now with s fee). They are mostly fee-ridden, since germans don’t like them very much (cultural thing?) and they are offered as an extra.
Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by KingOfCoders on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @04:58AM (#38457515)
Beside the culture (losing everything twice in the last 100 years),

I think money transfer plays a big role. Germany never had a culture of cheques and switched from money to money transfers early on (before WW1), so most stuff in Germany either I pay by money transfer ("Ueberweisung") or a company takes the money from my account ("Bankeinzug") - like mortages, cars, rent, electricity, travelling etc. In the US credit cards partially replaced cheques (and added credit, duh!), which was never something in Germany. The only use of cheques in Germany were traveller cheques when travelling - and then only to get money at the hotel.

Even for the catalog business people payed by invoice and money transfer (and the catalog companies gave you credit).

What is left, like groceries, is often paid in cash.

Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by wkat4242 on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @05:25AM (#38457696)
It's a total difference of point of view.

In Europe, banks don't like you taking out credit cards. Borrowing money is viewed as a weakness and it's best to never do it.

In America it's considered a virtue to have many credit cards and shuffle them so you can be seen to pay it off. Really weird.

Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by dukeyukey on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:58AM (#38458780)
> In Europe, banks don't like you taking out credit cards. Borrowing money is viewed as a weakness and it's best to never do it.

Don't know about that, "Europe" is a big place. Credit cards are pretty common in the UK at least, and stuff like balance transfer cards (for shuffling) are too. Maybe not to American extents, but hardly a weakness.

In fact, looks like more people in Iceland, Norway and Switzerland own credit cards than the US: https://www.statista.com/statistics/675371/ownership-of-cred...

Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by wkat4242 on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @08:19AM (#38458979)
Well the UK is a similar state to the US.

I don't believe this about Switzerland though. They are a very typical people that abhors spending money you don't have. But I think they may be counting debit cards there.

Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by Amezarak on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @07:57AM (#38458777)
Credit cards have a crucial benefit over debit cards: they add a layer of indirection to my bank account.

Steal (or mischarge) my credit card, run up 10k in charges, no problem. No money ever comes out of my bank account and I dispute the charges/report the card stolen.

Steal my debit card, run up 10k in charges...there's 10k gone out of my account until the bank resolves the situation.

Re:Apple pulls plug on Goldman credit-card partnership by wkat4242 on Wednesday November 29, 2023 @08:17AM (#38458964)
Here they won't let you dispute charges. There's no purchase insurance included either. Or those cashback awards like you get in the US.