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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:38AM (#38431588)
The point is that the law explicitly permits the postal union to do this. Tesla's suit is probably going nowhere.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by cypress66 on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:42AM (#38431623)
Tesla isn't demanding the postal union to ship them the plates, they are demanding to be allowed to pick up the plates by themselves.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by RandomLensman on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:49AM (#38431692)
If that is allowed under the law now, why don't they? If is not permitted under current law, not sure how easy it is to change law with a suit.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by bjornsing on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:49PM (#38438886)
As I understand it: The law is that the government agency must make new license plates “available” to Tesla. They tried to argue in court that it was sufficient for them to put license plates in the mail. But the court sided with Tesla, at least in the interim. So it’s definitely not open-and-shut case for the unions.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:43AM (#38431636)
Pick up the plates from whom?

They don't just teleport into a stack in the parking lot of the post office on their own. A pickup would involve employees. Who are members of the union.

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Jensson on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:45AM (#38431657)
The department is still making the plates, it is only the postal employees that are refusing to deliver them.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by vasvae3 on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:45AM (#38431651)
Whatever the equivalent of the DMV in Sweden is?
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:48AM (#38431683)
I'd presume those plates get from the license plate factory to the DMV offices somehow. I'd presume that method isn't carrier pigeon.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Jensson on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:51AM (#38431710)
Tesla said they would want to pick it up at the factory. The factory is putting them in nice packages to be delivered.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:56AM (#38431757)
The factory says they can't do this.

> According to the Transport Agency, current regulations mean it is only able to distribute number plates using Postnord.

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Thorrez on Monday November 27, 2023 @08:01AM (#38431786)
I think the purpose of this lawsuit is to get that regulation changed.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Hikikomori on Monday November 27, 2023 @08:27AM (#38432027)
Then the factory workers might refuse to hand out plates to Tesla as they're also part of a union.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Jensson on Monday November 27, 2023 @08:41AM (#38432144)
But they aren't. Also unions can't push these sympathy strikes too far, by doing targeted denial of government services they are really making it easy for the current right wing government in Sweden to add regulations to prevent unions from denying government services via sympathy strikes in the future. There are already such laws for healthcare etc.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Hikikomori on Monday November 27, 2023 @10:49AM (#38433678)
They aren't because the situation doesn't require it yet? If the rules/regulations regarding delivery of plates changes union action will change to address that. If the government does something to curb union power (in a non life and death situation) they'll likely lose the next election.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Jensson on Monday November 27, 2023 @02:17PM (#38436842)
> If the government does something to curb union power (in a non life and death situation) they'll likely lose the next election.

No they wont, if they do something like: "Sympathy strikes is not a valid reason to refuse to deliver mail" nobody who currently votes right will think that is bad. Post workers can then still strike for better conditions for themselves, but they can't shut down the postal system for companies they don't like.

Mail is necessary for many government functions, it isn't some optional thing that you can work around.

Edit: Seems like the courts agrees that this is a necessary function so they have to give them to Tesla via alternate means:

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Hikikomori on Monday November 27, 2023 @03:52PM (#38438083)
If they do something they would have to change the law as the Swedish system does not use Ministerial governance for individual cases like this.

So far only Tesla has been heard in court, Judge ordered temporary relief as Tesla argued that their business would be hurt short term, it's not a final decision. Workers at the factory are also part of a union, so they may refuse to hand any plates out.

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by belltaco on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:46PM (#38435453)
The district court just ordered the Transport Agency to hand over the plates to Tesla within a week, Postnord be damned.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/domstol-teslas-registreri...

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:52PM (#38438925)
As a temporary injunction, yes.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by belltaco on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:18PM (#38440562)
Judges don't give out injunctions forcing the govt to do something outside the status quo easily unless there's a strong case.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:28PM (#38440649)
"Deliver the mail" is hardly that far "outside the status quo".
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by moogly on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:22PM (#38440589)
The manufacturer. Scandinavian Motor Center.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by Pungsnigel on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:41AM (#38431618)
It's unclear though? There are also laws regarding mail services I believe.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by brandonagr2 on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:39PM (#38438770)
https://techcrunch.com/2023/11/27/sweden-sides-with-tesla-sa...

"Norrköping district court said the agency must find a way to get the plates to Tesla within seven days or pay a fine of 1 million Swedish crowns (~$96,000)."

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by ceejayoz on Monday November 27, 2023 @05:56PM (#38439716)
That's a temporary injunction while things are litigated.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by bjornsing on Monday November 27, 2023 @04:45PM (#38438848)
But there are obviously also other laws in Sweden. For (an obvious) example, the police union can’t decline to investigate crimes against Tesla owners.
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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by BurningFrog on Monday November 27, 2023 @10:23PM (#38441924)
Are you sure?

Can you point to a concrete law stating this?

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Re:Tesla sues Swedish state agency over number plate blockage by martin8412 on Tuesday November 28, 2023 @02:22PM (#38450022)
The Scandinavian countries are generally quite similar in these matters. In Denmark, uniformed police can't strike. It's part of the way they're employed, in return, they're almost impossible to fire except for cases of gross violation of their duty. I'm almost certain Sweden is the same, but I'd love for a Swede to chime in. It's called Tjenestemænd in Danish.
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