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Re:Google Drive has lost user data by Aeolun on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:28PM (#38428047)
This certainly sounds like a major issue, but I’m sure they (Google) have backups… right?
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by cjmcqueen on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:12AM (#38428337)
Yes, Google backs up to tape. I've seen it done and helped design the training for the process. As of 2019 it was a robust backup process with a pain in the butt restore process. It can and will be done, but it's not fast or easy.
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by dataflow on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:36AM (#38428534)
How frequently do they back up to tape? (if this is something you can share)
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by londons_explore on Monday November 27, 2023 @05:05AM (#38430480)
Varies by product. In general, it is a continuous process, and backups may not be 'point in time'.
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by FrostKiwi on Monday November 27, 2023 @01:02AM (#38428721)
> As of 2019 it was a robust backup process with a pain in the butt restore process.

Would love some more insight on this! Anything or any article you can share on how this is implemented at such scale?

Re:Google Drive has lost user data by dbmnt on Monday November 27, 2023 @10:47PM (#38442088)
When I was there Google used multiple Sun/StorageTek tape libraries at each datacenter. The robots handled much of it, but there was still a lot of manual tape loading and unloading performed by technicians. Once tapes were full they were unloaded and hauled off to a secure third-party facility.

They're still sold by Oracle, as far as I can tell: https://www.oracle.com/storage/tape-storage/#rc30p5

Re:Google Drive has lost user data by saagarjha on Monday November 27, 2023 @03:54AM (#38429863)
This is out of date; Google avoids tape exactly because the restore process sucks.
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by droffel on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:30PM (#38428060)
Don't worry, they backed it up to Google Drive
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by chronicsonic on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:31PM (#38428066)
Fair point, but so should the user.

This is a good reminder to everyone: Your cloud data still needs backing up.

Re:Google Drive has lost user data by gumby on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:05AM (#38428288)
Google’s desktop sync doesn’t actually download googles own files, just files in other formats like pdf. Do you launch a Google takeout request from a from job?
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by xigoi on Monday November 27, 2023 @12:39AM (#38428569)
Well, that’s an argument against using file formats that are locked in to a cloud service.
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by RockRobotRock on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:38PM (#38428126)
Yep. Cloud storage gives you too many ways out if you make a mistake (recycle bin, revision history) that it kind of hides the fact that it's not a replacement for backups. Plus, you can always get hacked.

3-2-1 guys!

Re:Google Drive has lost user data by alternative_a on Sunday November 26, 2023 @11:38PM (#38428124)
They can always ask NSA.
Re:Google Drive has lost user data by octacat on Monday November 27, 2023 @07:49AM (#38431700)
they had, in May. hahah. But really, why May is a cutoff date? Will we ever get a bug explanation, I wonder.