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Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by p3n1s on Saturday November 25, 2023 @10:15AM (#38414007)
"Fast-forward to 1962. Ma Bell begins using T-1s to connect its switching centers. T-1s are a digital communications link, not analog. The entire phone network goes digital. In a modern phone network, the only analog communication is between an individual house's phone line and the phone company's box."

This is misleading. The phone network used analog links (typically microwave relay) for long distance almost exclusively for many years (into the 80s) after the introduction of T1. T1 itself is not terribly well suited to very long distance links though and can only be pressed into it with repeaters every mile or so.

Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by dylan604 on Saturday November 25, 2023 @12:10PM (#38414764)
>The phone network used analog links (typically microwave relay) for long distance almost exclusively for many years (into the 80s) after the introduction of T1

The reason should be obvious. Digging long distance trenches and all of the property buying/leasing and right of ways/easements and all of the other fun stuff makes it a total nightmare. Radio broadcast just makes much more financial sense as well as logistically.

Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by h2odragon on Saturday November 25, 2023 @10:39AM (#38414159)
130VDC on the copper, apparently.

Had "the second longest T1 in the service area" for a while there. BellSouth declined to renew the contract in 2008, the business folded, etc. In 2013 I was digging through the old building, and the T1 line card in the wiring closet was still powered.

Nowadays the relay boxes all the way into town are mostly hanging open or have been repeatedly run over. I wonder how much of the rest of that infrastructure they just abandoned in place.

Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by Aloha on Saturday November 25, 2023 @01:06PM (#38415189)
the 130V was to power either repeaters or the smart jack.
Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by throwaway167 on Saturday November 25, 2023 @10:32AM (#38414107)
Hence towers with dishes on the outside. Long perplexed why they had canvas stretched across, and didn't point up: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave#/media/File%3AFraz...
Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by jjjjmoney on Saturday November 25, 2023 @11:03AM (#38414313)
Our Charter Spectrum “cable” connection goes over a microwave link like this.

How do I know? Well, we had a pretty big wildfire a couple years ago that burned a microwave tower a couple hours away. The official response was that they couldn’t get internet back in town until they rebuilt the tower. Our internet was down for a couple weeks until it was safe enough for them to get back to the tower site.

Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by Sharlin on Saturday November 25, 2023 @01:45PM (#38415506)
Microwave relay links predate spaceflight and even when comms satellites became a thing, it made (and still makes) little sense to beam regional TV/radio/phone up to geosynchronous and back, due to cost and latency. There was no good replacement to terrestrial microwave until fiber optic became a thing.

In a very real sense microwave relays are the direct descendant of the optical telegraph (aka "clacks" in Discworld lingo).

Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by ac29 on Saturday November 25, 2023 @04:28PM (#38416845)
> Long perplexed why they had canvas stretched across

Its a radome, used to protect the antenna from weather.

Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by brookst on Saturday November 25, 2023 @12:20PM (#38414836)
Were the microwave links really analog signaling?
Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by NovemberWhiskey on Saturday November 25, 2023 @12:45PM (#38415033)
The Long Lines network used frequency modulation and frequency division multiplexing and was completely analog. It was really only advancements in semiconductor lasers and optical fiber manufacturing that drove its abandonment.
Re:Why 56k is the fastest dial up modem speed by the_third_wave on Saturday November 25, 2023 @12:46PM (#38415046)
> The phone network used analog links (typically microwave relay) for long distance

Those microwave links represent layer 0 in the connection which is by definition always analogue, the same is/was true for T-1 which used alternate mark inversion [1] signalling over a 4-wire circuit. It is the type of signal carried over the link which decides whether it is considered "digital" or "analogue". T-1 carried 24 time-divided PCM channels ("digital"), microwave links could and can carry both frequency-divided multiplexed analogue channels ("analogue") as well as time-divided PCM or packet-switched channels ("digital").

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_encoding#Alternate_mar...