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Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by rcxdude on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:29AM (#38402863)
>However, I've long thought that motor vehicles should have some kind of black box that monitors various driving metrics such as how "smooth" the driving is. This could provide valuable data to insurance companies and they should provide a sizable discount for drivers who agree to provide that data and have good driving scores.

This already exists, at least in the UK market. A lot of insurers will give you a discount if you let them fit such a "telematics" box to your car. It's still a privacy nightmare.

Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by ndsipa_pomu on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:36AM (#38402914)
Well, I'm in the UK but not a driver (cyclist by choice). My point is that the black boxes should be almost mandatory (or at least fitted by default) in order to detect health problems which I don't think the insurance company provided boxes do. Have it be a standardised device and provide the data to the owner so that they can decide on whether or not to provide that data to third parties (probably worth having anonymised data available to the government too). It could be a very useful early warning of a number of conditions as well as providing an incentive for drivers to pay attention.
Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by whatevaa on Friday November 24, 2023 @09:40AM (#38404414)
What sort of early warnings are you thinking about exactly? Also, lol, no, governments are not gonna bother propely anonymising the data too. Plus if it's anonymous what's the point of this data?
Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by ndsipa_pomu on Friday November 24, 2023 @10:00AM (#38404625)
Early warnings of dementia or even eyesight problems - both of those are likely to lead to a change in driving style with more pronounced braking as the driver reacts slower to events.

It would make sense to anonymise the data before sending it to the government and the point of the data is to identify road congestion and problematic junctions. It could also feed into better tracking of traffic lights timings etc. None of those uses have a requirement to know whether it's Mr Jones in his red Corsa or Mrs Malaprop in her SUV.

Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by rcxdude on Friday November 24, 2023 @02:26PM (#38407265)
location data is basically impossible to anonymise: if you have a record of someone's movements over any more than a day you can almost certainly work out where they live and work, for example. When it comes to personal data you can't just wave an anonymisation wand and say it's definitely OK now, you need to think carefully about the exact case, and especially the more data that is collected the more difficult it is to actually keep things private.
Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by tolien on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:47AM (#38402987)
> A lot of insurers will give you a discount if you let them fit such a "telematics" box to your car.

And for bonus points (pun not intended) will suspend your insurance because they think you're speeding even when you're not [0], with not a lot of recourse.

Driving without insurance could get you a £300 fine and 6 points on your license - enough to cancel it in one go if qualified less than 2 years, which is usually the target audience of these boxes.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-67335868

Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by ndsipa_pomu on Friday November 24, 2023 @07:27AM (#38403280)
That's obviously a fault with that insurance company and the recourse is to show that the particular road had a 60mph maximum limit. I'd expect you could sue them for breach of contract too if they suspend your insurance for a false reason.
Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by tolien on Friday November 24, 2023 @08:25AM (#38403722)
> When the comprehensive part of his cover was suspended on Friday for all the speeding alerts, Connor took a day off work to call the company and try to find a solution.

> Sterling Insurance made Angela and her son go to the locations of his alleged speeding infractions and take pictures of the road signs next to a digital map on a phone.

Yeah, just show them that their data is wrong - no big deal right? I guess in an ideal world such litigation would happen cheaply and quickly too.

Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by ndsipa_pomu on Friday November 24, 2023 @08:34AM (#38403788)
If a company doesn't react rationally, then taking them to court is the solution. Ideally you should choose to do business with a company that isn't so obstinate that you have to resort to courts to remedy issues.

Certainly, if you get into legal trouble for not having valid insurance, you could easily demonstrate the facts as to why the company illegally revoked your insurance and how they had no right to do so.

Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by ChrisMarshallNY on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:47AM (#38402985)
They have been doing this in the US, for some time.

Fleet cars tend to have these systems, as do trucks. I have a friend that drives 18-wheelers, and often complains about getting nagged by Safety, when he does something out of bounds, or, more often, when drivers around him drive out of bounds.

It’s definitely an insurance thing, with his company. They probably save millions per year, using that system. I explained to him that’s why they’ll never make an “exception” for him, because he’s skilled and experienced. The system is there for all the low-rent knuckleheads they hire.

Re:The feds' vehicle 'kill switch' mandate is a gross violat... by vorticalbox on Friday November 24, 2023 @06:32AM (#38402888)
Reminds of when tomtom sat nav data was used to find locations where users where speeding to set up speed traps

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2011/apr/28/tomtom-sa...