Very easy to hate them if:

1) Any innocents die because of their leaks. Which is probably something we'd never discover.

2) They only pick on NATO and its allies and not on mass murdering agencies in other countries.

It's also easy to have them if they don't practice due diligence in what they release (back to point 1).

https://www.darkowl.com/blog-content/darkowl-cyber-group-spo...

> They have successfully targeted companies across numerous diverse industry sectors around the globe including healthcare

Seems very problematic to me targeting healthcare companies.

> <transcribing an image 40% down the page> I do everything I do for the lulz! For entertainment and to have fun.

Yeah, very easy to hate random Joker-wannabes. Putting the expletive back in edgelord. Partisans I can like or dislike for whatever reasons. People inventing justifications for their chaos creation are crap from the get go.

> The group also appears to have close associations with GhostSec, a prominent hacking group with an extensive darknet history who has become increasingly popular for their attacks against Russia in the cyberwar.

It looks like not just NATO, then.

> Very easy to hate them if: 1) Any innocents die because of their leaks.

Idaho drivers have been killing innocents on the street at a rate of one every two days for the past decade or more, yet people seem quite capable of not hating Idaho drivers, so this outcome is much less certain than you’ve declared here.

It’s much more likely that people will hate them first for being gay, furry, and/or hackers; and then claim any plausible justification for pre-existing hatred, whether imagined or real, whether statistically significant or not, so that they feel morally authorized to execute hate upon others.

I’ve always assumed this group was an hate-promoting operation, rather than a bunch of prideful idiots bearing cool labels. Either they’re incredibly stupid and are unconcerned with the hate they’ll bring down upon others — or they’re intentionally bringing down hate on the the labels present as. They seem quite able to hack, and they selected the exact labels that get the media to publicize their hacks, so it’s difficulty to defend a Hanlon’s stupidity outcome. Either way, it’s incredibly disappointing to see.

This is a false grouping. Idaho drivers aren't working together.

I don't know the details of what kinds of actions this group actually undertakes, so maybe I'm wrong with this assumption, but by publicly exposing sloppy security without actively endangering people or demanding ransom payments, they are probably tempering security of their targets in the long term by exposing sloppy security practices. Free pen-testing.

In the 90s, people made a decision to increase the speed from 60mph to 65mph knowing it would kill people. Based on point one, many leaders are murderers, but we typically don't view our leaders as murderers.

My question is why is it bad if some "terrorist" does it if people we know do it, it isn't a bad thing.

Sounds like semantics are the real murderer here

I never used the words "murder" or "murderer".

I'm not autistic, I have mild OCD.

Law makes a distinction between various kinds of wrongful deaths for reasons. I agree with many of these reasons.

Yes, if we start redefining words for rhetorical convenience, the argument devolves into semantics.

All things considered I think the world is better with some of these people doing these things for the lulz.

Would be better if security will be taken seriously. But people like entertaiment, so evething those days is security theater (drama).

You missed writing stopping between murdering and agency

The state government said no more drag queen story time so they hacked into a nuke lab?

Who cares about DQST? I agree it's wrong to ban it but a ban on DQST doesn't mean you hack a nuke lab. DQST is a minor, irrelevant issue blown out of proportion by the MSM and both parties.

I don't condone these hackers. If they leaked something important we could have massive problems. Terrorists, nation states, etc could take advantage of some hypothetical leak. And to steal such valuable information because DQST... I mean come on what a dumb hill to die on.

This group said that previous attacks on state government offices this past summer were motivated by bans on gender-affirming healthcare for minors [1]. Idaho is among the states that have passed such a ban [2], but afaik the group hasn't attributed this most recent attack to it -- they've attacked many targets across the world for various not-particularly-convincing reasons. In any case, the breach data here seems unlikely to be particularly dangerous -- the article says that they leaked employees addresses and SSNs.

Drag queen story time seems completely unrelated to this story.

[1] https://www.insider.com/gay-furry-hackers-transphobic-hackin...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Idaho#Gender-af...

Anything trans-related means they're just playing into distractions sowed by the elite. Trans people make up what, 0.001% of the population? As long as it keeps people from discussing raising taxes on the rich, it's golden for media.

Edit: I don't hate trans people or any people, besides the mega wealthy corrupting our world. I do hate them. I do think trans, other culture wars issues, are 100% distractions to keep commoners from raising taxes on the rich or fixing our housing crisis or banning congressional insider trading. I think deep inside, you know this to be true as well.

> Trans people make up what, 0.001% of the population?

So it's fine subjugating them?

> long as it keeps people from discussing raising taxes on the rich

In what polity are trans-rights activists not economically left?

About 0.355% (95% CI: 0.144%–0.566%) self-identify as transgender according to Wikipedia, which cites (https://doi.org/10.1016%2Fj.jsxm.2016.02.001).

> distractions sowed by the elite

That's a nice conspiracy theory. Got a source?

Look at the user names. I didn't make the parent comment.