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Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by josephg on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:31PM (#38370502)
> From where I’m sitting the 90% are replaceable in a flooded market of available software engineers.

The market is flooded with junior engineers who have recently graduated from coding boot camps, and who might be good at building the specific types of software they have been shown. However, there is, as I understand it, still a dearth of senior engineers who can do the sort of work that OpenAI engineers are doing: building a novel product, with novel, cutting edge algorithms, at massive scale.

If lots of people could easily replicate OpenAI’s product, it seems strange that has nobody released a competitor to gpt4. Why is Microsoft - a company with one of the largest pools of software engineers in the world - clambering to hire all the engineers at OpenAI?

It’s because those people aren’t replaceable. There is probably a global pool of maybe ten thousand people who can do the work that OpenAI is doing. And OpenAI has assembled a high performance team of ~800 of them. Those people are currently worth their weight in gold.

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by righthand on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:52PM (#38371675)
It is not flooded with junior engineers, it's engineers of all skill levels. I happen to know as someone who is senior looking for work right now. Most of the open positions are for senior and staff level positions.

Microsoft isn't clambering to hire them, they're clambering for the IP. The OpenAI employees will get significantly less if they go over to Microsoft.

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by josephg on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:29PM (#38372773)
> Most of the open positions are for senior and staff level positions.

So what you're saying is that companies are struggling to find qualified senior and staff level engineers to fill their open roles? Doesn't sound like a flooded market to me.

Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by flappyeagle on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @06:22PM (#38372043)
My guy. It’s flooded with juniors. Juniors at all levels of junior-ness. Including ones called “senior”
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by righthand on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @06:42PM (#38372271)
I hope you enjoy the difficulty of finding a job in a flooded market one day.
Re:OpenAI investors keep pushing for Sam Altman’s return by flappyeagle on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:38AM (#38380673)
I hope no one does. Whether it's the Open AI situation or the job market, I am describing reality, not wishful thinking.