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Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by SR2Z on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:24PM (#38359212)
Then why hasn't COMAC produced a viable jetliner?
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by dghlsakjg on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:17AM (#38359632)
Because having the plans for something and having capability, materials and funding to do it are two different things.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by testrun on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @01:10AM (#38360007)
According to Wikipedia Comac has orders in the range of $26 billion for the C919.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by elsonrodriguez on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @02:03AM (#38360343)
The same article notes that they are using an engine by GE/Safran, and that there was espionage involved in the development of the C919.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by vidarh on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:19AM (#38360872)
And? Neither of these things change what was being claimed and disputed above.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by lozenge on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:39AM (#38361481)
Apparently, the engines might be 20% of the cost of the plane. https://aviation.stackexchange.com/a/16018
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by coldtea on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:19AM (#38361752)
Happens to the best of them:

Economic and industrial espionage has a long history. Father Francois Xavier d'Entrecolles, who visited Jingdezhen, China in 1712 and later used this visit to reveal the manufacturing methods of Chinese porcelain to Europe, is sometimes considered to have conducted an early case of industrial espionage.[16]

Historical accounts have been written of industrial espionage between Britain and France.[17] Attributed to Britain's emergence as an "industrial creditor", the second decade of the 18th century saw the emergence of a large-scale state-sponsored effort to surreptitiously take British industrial technology to France.[17] Witnesses confirmed both the inveigling of tradespersons abroad and the placing of apprentices in England.[18] Protests by those such as ironworkers in Sheffield and steelworkers in Newcastle,[clarification needed] about skilled industrial workers being enticed abroad, led to the first English legislation aimed at preventing this method of economic and industrial espionage.[19][18] This did not prevent Samuel Slater from bringing British textile technology to the United States in 1789. In order to catch up with technological advances of European powers, the US government in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries actively encouraged intellectual piracy.

Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by fennecbutt on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @10:47AM (#38380783)
It's a very fair point but it's a then and now thing lmao.

I can't justify slavery in x country because "well the west did it before and so now it's their turn" (to use an extreme example and yes I know that slavery has already occurred in almost every country/is still occurring in some).

Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by SR2Z on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @10:45AM (#38365190)
From Chinese airlines that are being told in no uncertain terms that they need to place some orders. Most of that order book is protectionism.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by M3L0NM4N on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @01:56AM (#38360286)
If they had the money to, they could.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by protomolecule on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @03:15AM (#38360842)
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by Hissigh on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:01AM (#38361648)
I flew with this 2 years ago. Looks like a standard boing/airbus from the inside but the sound isolation is so bad, it's very loud inside
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by coldtea on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:17AM (#38361739)
Well, if you've managed to create an airliner, starting from not having made one at all before, then the sound isolation would be the most trivial thing to improve in an update.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by est on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @08:21AM (#38363271)
> I flew with this 2 years ago

You sure? C919 didn't start commercial flights until this year (2023)

Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by SR2Z on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @10:48AM (#38365244)
That was my understanding, too.
Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by coldtea on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:15AM (#38361730)
Because it takes time, not just data. To set up infrastrcuture, to do tests, to train, etc. Hell, it takes Boeing itself several decades to design a new aircraft model, even though they have done it several times before.

The US for example trying to get back some of its domestic manufacturing prowess, after decades which has outsourced it to China which has gotten really good at it, has a 10-20 year barrier to overcome before it can even start to get to the same level, and that's if all goes well and no stupid decisions are made. Which is not very likely.

Re:After Boeing declines to pay up, ransomware group leaks 4... by SiempreViernes on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @09:42AM (#38364251)
They have just gotten recent Boeing data /s