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Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by samspenc on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:11PM (#38356914)
> One explanation was that Altman was said to have given two people at OpenAI the same project.

Have these people never worked at any other company before? Probably every company with more than 10 employees does something like this.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by ben_w on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:19PM (#38357001)
My dad interviewed someone who was applying for a job. Standard question, why did you leave the last place?

"After six months, they realised our entire floor was duplicating the work of the one upstairs".

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by whywhywhywhy on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:10PM (#38358017)
>Have these people never worked at any other company before?

Half the board has not had a real job ever. I’m serious.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by squigz on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:14AM (#38359612)
Could you please elaborate on what a 'real job' is in this context?
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by TrackerFF on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:38AM (#38361472)
I'm going to assume that he's referring to Tasha and Helen.

I don't know if that is accurate, or even fair - the only thing I can see, is that there's very little open information regarding them.

From the little I can find, Tasha seems to have worked at NASA Research Park, as well as having been CEO for startup called Geo Sim Cities. Stanford and CMU alumni? While other websites say Bard college and University of Southern California.

As for Helen, she seems to have worked as a researcher in both academia and Open Philanthropy.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by GreedClarifies on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:44PM (#38359366)
It is unbelievable TBH.

Shocking. Simply shocking.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by adastra22 on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:10PM (#38359084)
And the one which does have a real job is a direct competitor with OpenAI.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by ilikehurdles on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:42AM (#38359824)
And since none of them have equity in OpenAI, their external financial interest would influence decision making, especially when those interests lie with a competing company where a board member is currently the chief executive.

I've seen too much automatic praise given to this board under the unbacked assumption that this decision was some pure, mission-driven action, and not enough criticism of an org structure that allows a board to bet against the long term success of the underlying organization.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by spoonjim on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:41PM (#38358314)
Actually, they haven’t. One is some policy analyst and the other is an actor’s wife.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by lupire on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:02PM (#38358491)
Tasha Macauley is an electrical engineer who founder of two tech companies, besides having a cute husband.

And the other guy is the founder of Quora and Poe.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by jxi on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:53PM (#38358937)
She only founded one, Fellow Robots, and that "company" went nowhere. There's no product info and the company page shut down. She was CEO of GeoSim for a short 3 years, and this "company" also looks like it's going nowhere.

She has quite a track record of short tenures and failures.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by voidfunc on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:25PM (#38359219)
> She has quite a track record of short tenures and failures.

It may be good to have a failure perspective on a board as a counter-balance. I don't think this is a valid knock against her. She has relevant industry experience at least.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by GreedClarifies on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:46PM (#38359376)
lolz.
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by sumedh on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:26AM (#38361802)
> She has relevant industry experience at least.

What products did she deliver?

> It may be good to have a failure perspective on a board as a counter-balance.

Maybe some small mom and pop company not on the board of OpenAI

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by bmitc on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @05:58PM (#38371755)
What's up with Loopt and Worldcoin?
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by kridsdale1 on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:45PM (#38358861)
Ok. I can Found a tech company by filling out LLC papers on LegalZoom for $40.

What have her companies done?

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by adastra22 on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:13PM (#38359118)
paper companies
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by qiqitori on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:46PM (#38358352)
To me at least that's an _extremely_ rude thing to do. (Unless one person is asked to do it this way, the other one that way, so people can compare the outcome.)

(Especially if they aren't made aware of each other until the end.)

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by gongagong on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:58PM (#38358455)
wait so can't SA sue for wrongful termination if everything is as bogus as everyone is saying? same for MS
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by dragonwriter on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:30PM (#38358736)
> wait so can't SA sue for wrongful termination if everything is as bogus as everyone is saying?

It is breach of contract if it violated his employment contract, but I don't have a copy of his contract. It is wrongful termination if it was for an illegal reason, but there doesn't seem to be any suggestion of that.

> same for MS

I doubt very much that the contract with Microsoft limits OpenAI's right to manage their own personnel, so probably not.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by pacificmint on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:14PM (#38358597)
Employment in California is ‘at will’, which means they can fire him without a reason.

Wrongful termination only applies when someone is fired for illegal reasons, like racial discrimination, or retaliation, for example.

I mean I’m sure they can all sue each other for all kinds of reasons, but firing someone without a good reason isn’t really one of them.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by adastra22 on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:13PM (#38359110)
That's the default, but employment contracts can override this. C-level employment contracts almost universally have special consideration for "Termination Without Cause", aka golden parachutes. He could sue to make them pay out.

He would also have very good grounds for a civil suit for disparagement. Or at least he would have if Microsoft didn't immediately step up and offer him the world.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by vaxman on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:09PM (#38359075)
You mean like being fired by a board member as part of their scheme to breach their fiduciary duty by launching a competitive product in another company?
Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by 015a on Monday November 20, 2023 @11:13PM (#38359119)
I think this needs to be viewed through the lens of the gravity of how the board reacted; giving them the benefit of the doubt that they acted appropriately and, at least with the information they had the time, correctly.

A hypothetical example: Would you agree that it's an appropriate thing to do if the second project was Alignment-related, Sam lied or misled about the existence of the second team, to Ilya, because he believed that Ilya was over-aligning their AIs and reducing their functionality?

Its easy to view the board's lack of candor as "they're hiding a really bad, unprofessional decision"; which is probable at this point. You could also view it with the conclusion that, they made an initial miscalculated mistake in communication, and are now overtly and extremely careful in everything they say because the company is leaking like a sieve and they don't want to get into a game of mudslinging with Sam.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by qwytw on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @04:23AM (#38361354)
> giving them the benefit of the doubt that they acted appropriately

Yet you're only willing to give this to one side and not the other? Seems reasonable... Especially despite all the evidence so far that the board is either completely incompetent or had ulterior motives.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by croes on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @12:27AM (#38359730)
Maybe it's was not a ordinary project or not ordinary people.

Still too much in the dark to judge.

Re:OpenAI's employees were given two explanations for why Sa... by bmitc on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @01:02AM (#38359946)
In over 10 years of experience, I have never known this to happen.