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Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by bagofsand on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:57AM (#38348128)
I agree, Satya is an operator. He translated a mess into a historic opportunity for Microsoft. They'll get some significant chunk of some of the best AI talent on the planet. All the heatseakers will go there. That, plus the IP they already have, will turbocharge Microsoft.

OpenAI, in contrast, will become more like an academic research unit at some university. Those who prefer life slow and steady, will select to stay there, making tech for effective altruists.

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by gryn on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:43AM (#38349605)
they make nothing open source, so I'm not sure why effective altruits would join it.

if they can't predict and contain the consequences of their own actions, how can they predict and contain their so claimed future AGI.

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by gryn on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:45AM (#38349624)
they make nothing open source, so I'm not sure why effective altruists would join it.

if they can't predict and contain the consequences of their own actions, how can they predict and contain their so claimed future "AGI".

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by bee_rider on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:10PM (#38352878)
Is there any reason to assume open source is a prerequisite for effective altruism?

Open source doesn’t necessarily imply good for humanity, for example distributing open source designs for nukes would probably be a net negative.

And even if it did, effective altruists wouldn’t need to prioritize the benefit provided by openness over all other possibilities.

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by vacuity on Monday November 20, 2023 @09:48PM (#38358366)
I don't think relying on a proprietary license to make sure enemies can't get AI for nukes is a sane security model. Something else needs to give.
Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by thelittleone on Monday November 20, 2023 @12:31PM (#38351145)
Operator?
Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by zrail on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:13PM (#38351888)
Operator in this context refers to someone who successfully runs a business that someone else founded. Often the visionary founder is not good at the nuts and bolts of running and growing a business so they hand off the reins to someone who is. Think Steve Jobs vs Tim Cook.
Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by benatkin on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:39PM (#38352336)
It doesn’t mean that at all, it’s slang

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=operator

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by yulker on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:03PM (#38352762)
It has a meaning in a business context apart from a slang term
Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by mrDmrTmrJ on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:26PM (#38353138)
For a decade, "operator" in Silicon Valley as has been used exactly as the commentator above describes it.

Which creates separation from "investor" or "engineer" or "founder" or "PM" or "sales" or "finance". Somebody has to make stuff happen in organizations. And the people who are good at it (Satya is excellent) set their organizations up for unique success.

And yes, ex-special forces people roll their eyes at it. Which is appropriate! But the usage is now totally distinct.

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by benatkin on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:34PM (#38353271)
It seems like underselling the successful part and overselling the part about not being the founder, but I can see it's a slang term. Thanks.

And yeah I'm wrong about it being the same term, though I did imagine a different use, I was also thinking of smooth operator, apparently I was unfamiliar with the term in tech.

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by zrail on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @07:24PM (#38372726)
I learned the business context before the spec ops context and honestly the former makes way more sense to me than the latter.

A business operator is like a machine operator. You're pulling levers on a machine that someone else built while optimizing and tweaking to get the best performance out of that machine as possible.

Re:OpenAI's Misalignment and Microsoft's Gain by benatkin on Wednesday November 22, 2023 @04:56PM (#38385701)
I was quite wrong about this, but I still don't think it's especially relevant that someone else built it. You would never call Zuckerberg an operator? Or when someone else built it does that not mean that you had no role in building it? That would be the exception, but it would be analogous to owner/operator in general business parlance.

I think now, having tried to fill in my missing knowledge, that it comes from the same root as DevOps, which I erroneously thought was related to SpecOps. DevOps comes from IT Operations which comes from Operations Management, which yes, is like a machine operator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IT_operations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operations_management

Edit: here's a post with "Founder Operators". Which seems like maybe if you just heard "Operator" you would assume they're not a founder, but also that the term can be applied for those running businesses they founded: https://startupceo.com/2023/01/5-things-successful-founder-o...