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Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by cycomanic on Monday November 20, 2023 @04:43AM (#38345524)
I really don't understand the argument here, why are Altman and Brockman the most formidable AI team? I would wager a substantial sum that Altman has not touch anything technical (let alone related to AI) in a very long time. He certainly showed he is a very good operator, networker and executer, but that doesbt give you the technical expertise to build state of the art AI.

If he manages to get a significant amount of the OpenAI engineers to jump ship maybe, but even for those who are largely motivated by money, how is MS going to offer the same opportunity as when they joined for equity with OpenAI? Are they going to pay then >$1M salaries?

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by wruza on Monday November 20, 2023 @06:09AM (#38346300)
I don’t get it too. It’s akin to claiming that by hiring an Oracle executive you can build the best database tech. A little stretch but still. Chances are I’ll never understand how things like that work, because there must be few truths about humans my mind resists to believe.

My uneducated guess is that OpenAI really screwed up the PR part and the current Microsoft’s claims are more on the overall damage control / fire suppression side.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by aeyes on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:26AM (#38346998)
Looking at the list of people who have resigned it's quite obvious that the team goes where he goes.

Even if he does nothing, he keeps the team together and that is worth quite a bit.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by mlrtime on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:32AM (#38347055)
If I was a SE/MLE at OpenAI , and I had a choice between the nonprofit OpenAI and MS, I'd follow Sam to MS. This is assuming I had profit sharing contracts in place.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by denton-scratch on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:58AM (#38347318)
There's a current fashion for tech "leaders" (bosses, really) to try to imbue in their staff a kind of cultish belief in the company and its leader. Personally, I find these efforts extremely offputting. I'm thinking of the kind of saccharine corporate presentations from people like Adam Neumann and Elizabeth Holmes; it evidently appeals to some kinds of people, but I run a mile from cults.

My guess is that a lot of the people that will follow Sam and Gregg are that kind of cult-follower.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by modernpink on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:27PM (#38352117)
The cynicism that regards hero worship as comical is always shadowed by a sense of physical inferiority, Yukio Mishima. You reveal more here about your own psychology than those who have a mission that they believe in and are passionate about. It's always easy to criticise from the sidelines.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by norir on Monday November 20, 2023 @02:09PM (#38352860)
Mishima was quite physically beautiful so this claim feels rather convenient for him.
Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by voitvodder on Monday November 20, 2023 @07:33AM (#38347070)
The proof they created a formidable AI team is in chatGPT4. Not sure how that can be argued against.

The problem is if we had a time machine and could run it back the exact same team wouldn't come up with the same result. The number of decisions that lead to the outcome are mind blogging.

Sam Altman is the type that wasn't motivated by money. So many fucking suckers in tech.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by idopmstuff on Monday November 20, 2023 @08:18AM (#38347531)
> I really don't understand the argument here, why are Altman and Brockman the most formidable AI team?

Recruiting. At the end of the day, that's the most important job a CEO has. If they can recruit the best AI people, they're the most formidable AI team.

> Are they going to pay then >$1M salaries?

I would wager very heavily that they are. My guess is Satya more or less promised Sam that he'd match comp for anybody who wants to leave OpenAI.

Re:Sam Altman, Greg Brockman and others to join Microsoft by andai on Monday November 20, 2023 @01:37PM (#38352303)
> Are they going to pay then >$1M salaries?

This sounds like hyperbole, but isn't that what China is doing?