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Re:What the Hell Happened to Effective Altruism by vkou on Sunday November 19, 2023 @06:38PM (#38339862)
> EA was founded on rejecting a great falsehood: a lie that almost everyone believed, that is not just false but the opposite of truth. This was the lie that donating based on your feelings was the best way to help people.

What utter nonsense.

EA is as myopic when looking at normies, as it is when performing introspection.

Re:What the Hell Happened to Effective Altruism by ethanbond on Sunday November 19, 2023 @06:42PM (#38339905)
What’s the counterpoint you’re actually trying to make?
Re:What the Hell Happened to Effective Altruism by vkou on Sunday November 19, 2023 @06:43PM (#38339912)
I categorically reject the claim that 'most non-EA people believe that the 'best way to help people' is donating based on feelings'.

I follow it up with a corollary that if EA is so utterly deluded about 'the pillar upon which it was founded', I have strong doubts that its disciples are particularly good at 'qualitatively' measuring impact.

Re:What the Hell Happened to Effective Altruism by vbeeaz on Sunday November 19, 2023 @06:44PM (#38339929)
Given that most NGO ad campaigns that I've seen looking for people to donate were emotionally manipulative nonsense, I disagree.
Re:What the Hell Happened to Effective Altruism by vkou on Sunday November 19, 2023 @06:46PM (#38339938)
All advertising is emotionally manipulative, but just because I bought something that was advertised to me doesn't mean that I consider it 'the best possible purchase'.

It could have been the purchase of least resistance. It could have been the best at maximizing some particular utility. It could have been a purchase of the most recent thing that was on my mind. My decisions, unlike that of these theoretical EAs don't solely consist of maximizing some utility function.

When I gave $500 to the town's theatre this year, it wasn't because 'I was trying to maximize the best way to help people, and I erroneously made a sub-optimal choice, because I based it on feelings'.

Paperclip-maximization was the furthest thing from my mind at the time. Anyone looking at my decision, and concluding based on it that I was buying into some Big Lie is completely nuts.