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Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by keepamovin on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:26AM (#38318765)
I'm not saying LLMs are. LLMs are not the only thing going on right now. But they do enable a powerful tool.

I think the path to AGI is: embodiment. Give it a body, let it explore a world, fight to survive, learn action and consequence. Then AGI you will have.

Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by pixl97 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @12:37PM (#38322086)
Note that embodiment doesn't mean in anyway human or animal like.

For example, you're limited to one body, but an A,G|S,I could have thousands of different bodies feeding back data to a processing facility, learning from billions of different sensors.

Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by keepamovin on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:37PM (#38326853)
Well, I disagree with you on embodiment, but on the thousands? Right that’s another part: evolution. Spread your bets.

But I disagree about a human or animal body not being required.

I think we have to take the world as we see it and appreciate our own limitations in that what we think of intelligence fundamentally arises out of our evolution in this world; our embodiment and response to this world.

so I think we do need to give it a body and let it explore this world.

I don’t think the virtual bodies thing is gonna work. I don’t think letting it explore the Internet is gonna work. you have to give it a body multiple senses let it survive. That’s how you get AGI, not not virtual embodiment. Which I never meant, but thought it was obvious given the term embody minute self strongly, suggesting something that’s not virtual! Hahaha ! :)

Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by SAI_Peregrinus on Saturday November 18, 2023 @01:10PM (#38322495)
Also continuous learning. The training step is currently separate from the inference step, so new generations have to get trained instead of learning continuously. Of course continuous larningin a chatbot runs into the Microsoft Tay problem where people train it to respond offensively.
Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by keepamovin on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:02PM (#38327089)
Yeah, evolution multiple generations. Necessary for sure. Things have to die. Otherwise, there’s no risk. without risk, There’s no real motivation to live and without that there’s no emotion no motivation to learn and without that there’s no AGI.
Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by SAI_Peregrinus on Monday November 20, 2023 @10:51AM (#38349687)
I'd say you need it to learn within each generation as well. Human & animal learning doesn't require evolution, we learn without replacing the whole. Connections within brains change while the organism is still alive, without even individual neurons dying off. The current process is purely iterative; GPT 1 was "done" and GPT2 got made. Then GPT 3, etc. If ChatGPT4 gets corrected about some particular thing by many users it won't learn that for the next user to come along.

Of course learning has an inherent trust issue; if the inputs one is learning from are incorrect then incorrect information will be learned, and incorrect output will result. Microsoft experienced that with Tay, which quickly learned how to respond to people via training from 4chan users. That was predictably disastrous, and what OpenAI are hoping to avoid with the generational learning strategy.

Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by MacsHeadroom on Saturday November 18, 2023 @01:26PM (#38322727)
My embodiment is my PC environment. I interact with the world through computer displays.

There is no reason embodiment for AGI should need to be physical or mammalian-like in any way.

Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by keepamovin on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:51PM (#38326984)
Strong disagree. But it may take me a while to elucidate and enumerate the reasons.
Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by MacsHeadroom on Tuesday November 21, 2023 @11:24AM (#38365746)
I'm disabled and have had a computer in front of me since I was 2. I'm rarely not in front of a screen except to shower and sleep.

Plenty of very intelligent people are completely paralyzed. Sensations of physical embodiment is highly overrated and is surely not necessary for intelligence.

Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by OOPMan on Saturday November 18, 2023 @02:21PM (#38323329)
Nice try SkyNet
Re:Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI by keepamovin on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:52PM (#38326992)
Hahaha! :) thank you. That is such a compliment hahaha! :)