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Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by boeingUH60 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:46AM (#38318411)
With this doomer mentality, you’ll fit in with the new mediocre board at OpenAI.
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by vouaobrasil on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:49AM (#38318422)
With your mentality, you must fit right in with keeping everything status quo because you probably benefit a lot from it.
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by HPsquared on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:34AM (#38318850)
Status quo is "AI not yet taken over the world"
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by vouaobrasil on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:01AM (#38319042)
Well, in a way it has, if you think about it this way. Using "take over" implies a fight for something. A revolutionary taking over the government from a dictator, etc.

However, AI doesn't need to conquer anything to "take over". Technology has already advanced so much that we are inextricably linked to it. Previous technology and especially computers have already taken over, and are integrated into every part of daily life. Some banks even require cellphones for two-factor authentication!

AI is the next logical step, and the world is already primed for AI.

So while AI has not "taken over" yet, we already have prepared a warm throne for it for it to chang every aspect of society.

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by PartiallyTyped on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:52AM (#38318451)
I really don't think Ilya Sutskever qualifies as "mediocre".
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by ben_w on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:02AM (#38318543)
> The psychological effects of AI on society will be devastating, which includes people relying less on each other and becoming more narcissistic

That's one way it could go, but I doubt it. I expect LLMs trained on human interactions will produce their best outputs for the same inputs that cause real humans to produce their best output — "please" and "thanks" as appropriate, because even if it hasn't got real feelings on the inside, it's doing a great job of acting like it has them.

> There should be limits to technological development and limits on computing power

That's in the recent White House executive order:

""" (ii) any computing cluster that has a set of machines physically co-located in a single datacenter, transitively connected by data center networking of over 100 Gbit/s, and having a theoretical maximum computing capacity of 10^20 integer or floating-point operations per second for training AI.""" - https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-action... (remove the ^ from the quotation to find in the link, there was the usual problem with superscripted numbers when I copied it)

> OpenAI should be destroyed by the courts and dismantled into nothingness, along with every AI division of every tech company and every AI research laboratory in the world.

Courts can only do what governments empower them to do, and it's important that that's plural governments because there are ~200 nation-level ones competing with each other. You'd have to get over a huge quantity of distrust and secret racing to reach even the level of legal agreement, and (given the perceived benefit of being the only defector from the POV of those who believe all the risks are managed) the legal aspect by itself isn't sufficient unless everyone's also willing to escalate to kinetic enforcement, hence what Yudkowsky was calling for earlier this year:

"""I called for law and treaty at the state level, and "airstrikes" against "rogue datacenters" as a last resort if diplomacy failed; individual terrorists are not famous for having the authority to call in airstrikes, nor are their targets "rogue" from international order.""" - https://nitter.net/ESYudkowsky/status/1650334606812680193

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by vouaobrasil on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:43AM (#38319508)
> That's one way it could go, but I doubt it. I expect LLMs trained on human interactions will produce their best outputs for the same inputs that cause real humans to produce their best output — "please" and "thanks" as appropriate, because even if it hasn't got real feelings on the inside, it's doing a great job of acting like it has them.

Even if that is true, the barrier to interact with AI will be lower in many cases. This is because you will not have to care in return for it, it is always available, and always on. Therefore, people will turn to AI for questions, help, and other needs even if it is inferior to human interaction, as long as it has reached a sufficiently high level of ability. Do you doubt it could reach this level?

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by ben_w on Saturday November 18, 2023 @09:02AM (#38319686)
> This is because you will not have to care in return for it

This is specifically what I'm disputing — I aver that A ⊢ B, where A is "you show kindness and courtesy" and B is "the AI produces better results", and by converse ¬A ⊢ ¬B

You don't have to be nice to animals, but it helps when interacting with them, and I believe the same is true for AI agents.

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by vouaobrasil on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:42PM (#38327398)
not A -> not B is not the converse. It's the contrapositive. But I understand what you meant.
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by ben_w on Sunday November 19, 2023 @04:13AM (#38330744)
D'oh, thank you. I thought I knew the word and didn't double check.
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Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by whatevaa on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:03AM (#38318552)
Says a fool. Or a bot. Who knows these days.
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Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by nat0704 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:50AM (#38318433)
It takes far greater effort to refute nonsense than to spout nonsense. So I won't bother refuting the unhinged rubbish you posted earlier.

Fact is: you're a fool. End of discussion.

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by albert180 on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:08AM (#38318593)
Well it seems you are a big mouth on the internet. How is it in your parents basement?
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by Dalewyn on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:03AM (#38318554)
Bold claims require bold evidence, if you're going to call someone a fool you're going to have to explain yourself.
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Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by awalGarg on Saturday November 18, 2023 @09:26AM (#38319970)
I understand why the other comments would be flagged, but this one is legibly reasoned and I've vouched for it.

It is obvious that historical advancement of technology has caused widespread cultural changes, and a sizable percentage of them are considered negative by a large portion of the population. To state that commercially viable AI could cause such effects as well does not seem necessarily unhinged to me, but in fact worthy of discourse on this forum.

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by gumballindie on Saturday November 18, 2023 @06:49AM (#38318429)
Lets not forget the criminal mindset of stealing people’s property to build supposed ai. Openai needs to be destroyed for that reason alone.
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by Dalewyn on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:05AM (#38318574)
While I agree with your sentiment that copyright needs to be respected, that is a problem with "AI" in general and not specifically with OpenAI.
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by gumballindie on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:16AM (#38318662)
Plenty of companies that respect copyright, however indeed the issue is endemic, and has been normalised by altman’s openai.
Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by ben_w on Saturday November 18, 2023 @07:33AM (#38318829)
Disagree, with YouTube[0] and Google[1] as my examples of it having already been normalised in the first instance.

[0] "no copyright intended" on uploads that infringe someone's copyright

[1] indexing and how results are displayed, and how that display interferes with stock photo websites for image search and news websites for news search

Re:Microsoft is a minority owner of OpenAI Global LLC by nly on Saturday November 18, 2023 @08:57AM (#38319635)
Am I stealing material when I read it the public domain and learn from it?