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Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by pid-1 on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:39AM (#38250574)
How does that work? Are institucional investors writing "plz return to office or we are going bust" emails to every company?
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by eptcyka on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:43AM (#38250633)
They don't need to explain themselves. Big enough shareholders just can express their needs to the board, a vote can be held and, if the decision is not implemented, courts can get involved.
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by TheCoelacanth on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:52AM (#38250787)
Courts getting involved over something like that isn't realistic. A more likely outcome is board members getting fired.
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by AlexandrB on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:43AM (#38250635)
No they just have board meetings where they stress the importance of being in the office for "spontaneous exchange of ideas" and "culture" while also floating think pieces in business magazines about how important having people in the office is to success.
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by voisin on Monday November 13, 2023 @11:18AM (#38251914)
"Hey Exec team, my other portfolio investments have real estate exposure so I need you to sacrifice the performance you clearly witness from WFH employees and your own personal bonuses that are tied to that performance for the benefit of my other investments."

I don't buy it.

Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by IggleSniggle on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:46AM (#38250685)
I would imagine it's more nuanced cues like expressing skepticism at key moments that encourage alternate choices
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by varispeed on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:49AM (#38250727)
Companies have investors / shareholders who are also invested in commercial property. They use their power as shareholders to mandate RTO so that their investments won't lose value. It's going from the top.
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by InCityDreams on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:57AM (#38250852)
Investors have invested in companies that just happen to pay rent to the....investor (now landlord)?
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by Devasta on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:10AM (#38251031)
If you're someone like BlackStone or Vanguard you absolutely manage investments in companies that are paying each other.
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by dvfjsdhgfv on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:50AM (#38250745)
I don't know how it works exactly but I can show you how it works in practice. The CEO somehow managed the middle management that RTO is a good thing. Their reasoning was that the lease was signed for several years ahead, so it's a waste of resources for this space to rest unused. "Can't they "renegotiate?" "No, it's already been signed and the owners won't budge" "Can't we just wait until the lease is over and then downsize?" "Well, you need to understand what happens to us if we downsize the office, use your imagination!"

These people somehow managed to internally identify the company with the office, and reducing the (open plan) office space with downsizing the company. And they were dead serious. No arguments (we did this during the pandemic and our revenue soared, acting against the wishes of all employees means shooting oneself in the foot) would be accepted. So the best engineers left, end of story.

Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by kukkeliskuu on Monday November 13, 2023 @09:52AM (#38250786)
I worked under a C-level person who was otherwise a pretty sensible guy, but he had participated in a workshop about this, in a 1000 person company. After the workshop he instituted a RTO policy. The policy was more lenient than the company policy, but still needlessly strict. In personal discussions he stated that in the workshop they discussed that all people would slack away work given the opportunity. He seemed agitated about it. I guess this was how the C-level was "motivated".
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by gunselginsel on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:15AM (#38251106)
Interesting. Though, to be fair, C-levels are C-levels because they are the best at doing what they're told to do. So I feel like a CEO just has to say, "obviously WFH is bad" and then the sycophants will parrot that as if it was their own idea.
Re:Tragedy of Return to Hostile Offices by kukkeliskuu on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:47AM (#38251520)
Well, yes. I cannot get into details, but I am pretty confident that the CEO was pressured in a similar fashion as well.