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Re:Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeli... by CommanderData on Saturday November 11, 2023 @01:39PM (#38233143)
Wasn't mainstream media's consensus it was sabotage by Russia themselves?

No other narrative was allowed at the time.

Re:Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeli... by nabla9 on Saturday November 11, 2023 @01:55PM (#38233313)
No it wasn't. Russia was always possibility and some governments pointed fingers towards Russia. Media reported these suspicions accurately. Suspicions against Poland and Ukraine were also reported.

Sy Hersh claiming that the United States coordinated the attacks was just crazy shit.

Re:Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeli... by zerhseach on Saturday November 11, 2023 @02:17PM (#38233523)
Sure. Whatever you say. Suspicions are just suspicions. But the truth is that US orchestrated the destuction of the pipeline and the data are right there. If you are blind, it's your problem. I sure that it was crazy shit that US was contemplating targeting and killing americans during the Cuba crisis to frame the Cubans. But that was declassified and the US was the culprit. So, go back to sleep.
Re:Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeli... by jsocuwl on Saturday November 11, 2023 @01:58PM (#38233337)
Which medias? Here in canada the narrative I saw was "we suspect maybe, this one, maybe that one, but we don't know". I've followed the story for a while and there was no consensus, and more importantly no real evidence of anything.
Re:Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeli... by kbelder on Saturday November 11, 2023 @07:28PM (#38236012)
It was the same in the US. There wasn't any mainstream consensus, and the people claiming they were sure it was X or Y were all fringe.
Re:Ukrainian military officer coordinated Nord Stream pipeli... by mc32 on Saturday November 11, 2023 @09:30PM (#38236676)
Indeed!

Despite the logic that would make this a ridiculous action by the Russians to cut their nose to spite their face, people offered all kinds of contrived reasons the Russians would shoot themselves in the foot.

If they wanted to hurt Europe al the had to do was turn the valve. The stupidest option would be to blow it up.

It's like Covid where pretty much everyone who was for lockdowns and sicking police those who flouted orders now say they were never for lockdowns...