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Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by RugnirViking on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:36AM (#38217254)
uk public schools are public in the sense if you have the money for tuition you can go, wheras "private" schools are only open to invited families, no matter how wealthy they are
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by jjgreen on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:40AM (#38217275)
no
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by arethuza on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:48AM (#38217331)
UK "public schools" are pretty much a subset of private schools:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_school_(United_Kingdom)

Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by jjgreen on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:52AM (#38217360)
In the UK, public & private are pretty much synonyms in the schooling context, traditionally the public schools were the "grand institutions", Eton, Harrow etc, but you'd struggle to find anyone who would make that distinction in the present day. If you did, they probably went to one of them.
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by arethuza on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:57AM (#38217406)
I must admit that I'm in Scotland and my son went to a couple of private schools (though they seem to call themselves "independent" schools) - never heard anyone referring to a public school other that in UK media discussing Eton etc.
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by jjgreen on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:02AM (#38217452)
I can well believe that the madness of "public school" being a private school is a peculiarly English phenomena.
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by somewhereoutth on Friday November 10, 2023 @05:58AM (#38217417)
For clarity:

Public schools - a handful of top level very expensive private schools, usually have existed for centuries, the children of the highest levels of society tend to go there, a great foundation for a career in public life. Examples include Eton, Harrow, Winchester, Marlborough.

Private schools - the rest of the private schools, less expensive, but less advantageous.

State schools - free, provided by the state for children in a local catchment area, this is where the rest of us go. Most are run by the local government, but there has been some experiments with 'foundation schools' which are tax payer funded but privately run.

Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by lambda_garden on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:23AM (#38217577)
A good breakdown.

There are also a handful of true grammar schools left. These are free to attend, but are selective based on ability. There is debate about the extent to which raw ability is really being tested, and not preparedness for the test.

There are also private schools that call themselves grammar schools. These were once free and selective, but converted to fee-paying at some point. They like the prestige of being called a "grammar" but don't be fooled!

The lack of true grammar schools has been a big hit to social mobility in the UK. Now, getting into a grammar requires not just passing a test, but also having parents rich enough to buy a house in the catchment area. Public school alumni dominate top industries and government.

The UK "free school" approach has been a mixed bag. On the one hand, various academy chains have managed to turn around failing schools. On the other, some parents are left with no choice but to send their child to a religious school due to catchment areas and waiting lists.

As a tax payer, I don't want my contributions going towards religious institutions.

The loss of "special schools" for students with severe special needs has not helped anyone (imo).

Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by gadders on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:29AM (#38217616)
A lot of religious non-selective schools tend to get better results than non-selective secular schools.

You see a few parents suddenly get religion as their child turns 9 or 10 and they realise they are unlikely to get into a grammar school.

Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by jjgreen on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:35AM (#38217657)
... or decide a buy a second (or third) house conveniently located in the good school's catchment area ...
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by gadders on Friday November 10, 2023 @07:42AM (#38218138)
And funnily enough a lot of the people that do that "don't believe in private schools".
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by gadders on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:23AM (#38217573)
State Schools are also divided (in some parts of the country, such as Kent) into selective and non-selective at the age of 11.

If you pass a specific test (the 11+) you can go to a selective grammar school.

There also used to be government funded scholarships to private schools for the very brightest underprivileged children but that was stopped by Labour, the "party of the Working Class".

Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by sampo on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:17AM (#38217540)
How do you get your child into one of those public shcool? Do you need money, or connections, or does the child need be talented? (The Wikipedia article didn't tell.)
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by jjgreen on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:30AM (#38217631)
In general, lots of money. Most do scholarships, so if your kid is really bright you might get one of those (usually reduced rather than no fees), they do this to bump up their examination results. Connections seem less important now than it used to be, but many will give preference to those whose parents or siblings attended.
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by gadders on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:25AM (#38217593)
Officially money, an interview and an entrance exam.

That's not to say that all things being equal you wouldn't stand slightly more chance if you were a member of the aristocracy.

Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by lambda_garden on Friday November 10, 2023 @06:24AM (#38217585)
Money. If you can pay, exceptions will be made for everything else.
Re:Sweden's schools minister declares free school 'system fa... by somewhereoutth on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:20AM (#38219148)
It helps if you can trace your ancestors back to the Normal invasion (the winning side, obviously). I'm only half joking.