News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by hyperbovine on Thursday November 09, 2023 @09:34PM (#38214401)
Who is being forced to use iOS?
Re:Steam Deck OLED by beefsack on Thursday November 09, 2023 @09:44PM (#38214467)
Not being forced to use iOS, but if you are on iOS you are forced to use the app store.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by nkrisc on Thursday November 09, 2023 @10:18PM (#38214689)
I think the point is Valve doesn’t own the store and the platform.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by redkoala on Thursday November 09, 2023 @10:42PM (#38214801)
They do now for the Steam Deck, but customers can always choose to play on Desktop or x86 handhelds instead.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by vel0city on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:21PM (#38215009)
You can install other game stores on your steam deck. You can directly install apps outside of Steam. You can even install a different operating system if you want. It's not locked to Steam in the slightest.

Let me know when I can do install fdroid on iOS.

Re:Steam Deck OLED by johnnyanmac on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:20PM (#38215008)
SD is ultimately a linux computer, so you can still throw on another store if you really care. It's also a relatiely niche device, so not quite prone to monopoly effects anyway.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by csdreamer7 on Thursday November 09, 2023 @11:19PM (#38214993)
Literally people will look down on you if you don't buy an iPhone.

They back off when they find out my line of work, but you hear about bullying and peer pressure in school over bubbles. That does not end when you leave high school.

One VC said that people that buy Android don't have taste and wouldn't work with them. Now they say Android is for poor people. Freedom to sideload or install a custom os be damned.

Re:Steam Deck OLED by serf on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:03AM (#38216331)
>That does not end when you leave high school.

It's not a high school thing, it's just amplified during that point in life; there is always pressure to conform.

I don't care about whether or not some VC thinks I have class either professionally or personally. Avoid people that jump to conclusions and you'll be better off, regardless of how fancy their personal titles are.

Re:Steam Deck OLED by dotBen on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:01PM (#38221286)
Don't worry, there are a (perhaps) surprising amount of VCs who love Android.

I'm one of them. We are not all the same!

Re:Steam Deck OLED by waihtis on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:05AM (#38216341)
you shouldn't tie your self-worth to the mobile phone brand you use
Re:Steam Deck OLED by vincnetas on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:29AM (#38216842)
It's easy to understand this when your matured, not so much when you are developing, or literally get excluded from activities because of that.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by smoofles on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:43AM (#38219426)
I mean, $800 is kinda cheap for self-worth, if we’re honest. Cheaper than a sports car or house with a view or own apartment or even one vacation someplace fancy.

But yeah, ideally one shouldn’t tie self worth to perishables.

Re:Steam Deck OLED by account42 on Friday November 10, 2023 @08:16AM (#38218406)
Same goes for Steam though, especially for multiplayer games.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by dontlaugh on Friday November 10, 2023 @09:56AM (#38219599)
I believe you, but that sounds made up.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by mattl on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:17AM (#38220676)
What’s your line of work that you need an Android phone?

I find dealing with Android users from iMessage tiring but everyone I know who uses Android also uses WhatsApp and that works just fine cross platform.

Re:Steam Deck OLED by fennecfoxy on Monday November 13, 2023 @10:18AM (#38251140)
Apple knows this and has curated it. Why do people think that they had specific bubble colours for messaging devices inside/outside Apple ecosystem.

They even did deep, dirty tricks like this: https://uxdesign.cc/how-apple-makes-you-think-green-bubbles-.... Not only that but Apple just love to lean heavily on their own custom functionality rather than coming up with open/reusable technologies. Apple are happy to use Wifi & Bluetooth standards to compete in the market, but not so much standards for chats/group chats (where Android users find things don't mesh as well/they don't have the same functionality as iOS users).

I can't for the life of me find it now, but I remember reading an article a while back on how Google found a way to trick iPhones into accepting Android messages as "blue bubble"/iOS messages by dumping some string onto the end or something. I'm sure it was a HN post but I can't find it, which sucks cause it was pretty funny reading.

Re:Steam Deck OLED by allarm on Friday November 10, 2023 @12:54AM (#38215526)
No one is being forced to drink water as well.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by walteweiss on Friday November 10, 2023 @04:06AM (#38216697)
No one is being forced to breathe!
Re:Steam Deck OLED by hyperbovine on Friday November 10, 2023 @11:46AM (#38221079)
So to complete the analogy, if you don't use iOS you'll die.

...?

Re:Steam Deck OLED by smoldesu on Friday November 10, 2023 @03:28PM (#38224080)
s/you/iPhones and yes, that does align.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by littlestymaar on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:03AM (#38215978)
Literally every app developer who want to target the iPhone user market.
Re:Steam Deck OLED by rfoo on Friday November 10, 2023 @02:40AM (#38216208)
Don't forget, they are also forced to buy a Mac. License demand that iOS SDK must be used only on Apple hardware.