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Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by ApolloFortyNine on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:49AM (#38192064)
If this happened the other way round, where ups/fedex (usps would be impossible at least in the US) refused to deliver to any striker, there'd be riots no?

Just seems wild to let a union have so much power over your country. Isn't it not far off for the union to decide meat is murder later, and refuse to deliver any animal products? Allowing, what, 0.01% of the population to dictate what the other 99.99 can receive seems like too much.

Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by TraspSE on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:04AM (#38192338)
You do know that 90% of Swedish workers are covered by collective agreements, right? While the unions have lost members over the last few decades, about 70% of the population is still members of a union. As such, the number 0.01% only proves your complete ignorance in this matter. Sweden isn't the US and the behavior of the unions isn't comparable to that of the US narrative - nor are the rules and customs of our nation.

The 0.01% is in this situation the foreign CEOs while the 99.9% is the actual population. Your made the perfect argument in favor of the unions, by sheer ignorance.

PS. The lost in members is likely due to the fact that those who isn't unionized reap most of the benefits anyway. Employers usually sign collective agreements voluntarily as it usually benefits both employer and employees. The numbers would likely go back up if they didn't.

Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by ApolloFortyNine on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @01:46PM (#38195007)
>Your made the perfect argument in favor of the unions, by sheer ignorance.

What percentage of swedes are in the port workers union that apparently decides what can be imported into the country?

Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by TraspSE on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @02:04PM (#38195279)
The members of the Transport union currently sympathy striking in the harbors don't dictate what's allowed to be imported, there's just no-one that's willing to unload cars of this specific brand before the ship has to leave again - there's a difference. Tesla could try to import them by other means, if they can find a way that does not need any intervention by labor that is. The argument that dockworkers single-handedly is deciding what is allowed to be imported is false to begin with and the number of members in that specific union is therefore irrelevant.

So far there's five different unions (I think) who's about the join the strike because this conflict affect the whole of Sweden, so to calculate how many individuals that are currently involved and actively support these actions you'd have to include all electricians, maintenance workers, postal service employees and so on as well (the list is growing rapidly).

As the pressure will be incrementally increased until Tesla realize that they have the whole nation against them you would pretty soon have to include the full 70% of the working population to calculate how many individuals that are actively supporting this action.

Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by isodev on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:01AM (#38192272)
Almost 70% of employees in Sweden are members of a trade union, so it makes a lot of sense that they have a say. This mechanism exists in other European countries - sympathy strikes happen only after negotiations have been refused or failed.
Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by kalleboo on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:01AM (#38192269)
70% of the working population in Sweden are union members and they have wide support in society (that is a higher participation rate than US elections). The unions are the people and speak for them.

> Isn't it not far off for the union to decide meat is murder

If they did something controversial like that, everyone would quit the unions, even as it stands today, there is not actually much reason to be in a union aside from solidarity and cooperative discounts on stuff like insurance

Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by hiq on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:01AM (#38192287)
Are you comparing individuals to a company?
Re:Tesla Sweden strike update: Tesla comments, sympathy stri... by malermeister on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:03AM (#38192320)
Capital already has this much power. This union structure gives labor a more even negotiating position.

In the US, you are a single worker negotiating with billion-dollar companies. Unless you have a very rare skill set, that means you'll be easy pickings and your employer will be able to exploit you.

In Scandinavia, you are all sector workers negotiating. This evens out the power imbalance and allows for fair negotiations.