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Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by baz00 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @06:46AM (#38189124)
What is valued is presence and contributions. That doesn't necessarily require attention for the entire meeting. I'm not going to live forever so I would rather expend that wasted 80% on something that I value. The outcome of the meeting is always the same!
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by Hamuko on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:13AM (#38189355)
I've asked my coworkers to cancel a biweekly meeting that in my mind creates no value. That meeting still lives on, so I don't feel guilty about reading news or clipping my nails while it happens.
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by matwood on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:22AM (#38189438)
Have you asked what value they see in the meeting?
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by Hamuko on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:26AM (#38189482)
I think they decided to end the conversation there and then when I suggested axing the meeting, so I didn't bother. I just show up every two weeks muted and get noted as an attendee on some pointless meeting document. No skin off my back since I don't own equity.
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by Tainnor on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:15AM (#38192512)
Not GP, but I once asked my engineering colleagues if I was the only one who doesn't pay attention in the bi-weekly all-hands because most of the information is irrelevant to me (e.g. what new marketing strategies we're using). Some admitted that they would do some work on the side, but some also said "well, those people also want to have a chance to share what they did".

I found this remark puzzling and illuminating at the same time. Apparently, for some people, meetings aren't about productivity but about satisfying psychological needs.

Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by nextlevelwizard on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @06:56AM (#38189206)
Sounds like you are part of the problem
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by baz00 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @06:59AM (#38189236)
Unlikely. I don't create meetings. I get invited to them. They are mostly unnecessary and have a net negative return of investment. I mean lucky if any of them have an agenda, minutes or an action and rarely does the facilitator actually have any conceptual knowledge of the subject. The meeting exists to service the facilitator's personal value and the naïve process model, not the business, the staff or the customers.
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by hardware2win on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:43AM (#38189621)
Why just dont attend them?

Im invites to like 10 of meetings each week

Nobody expects me to attend those where im not really important or need to discuss stuff

Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by baz00 on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @07:47AM (#38189661)
Because that means I have to justify not being a "team player" then. And I can't be bothered with that. I'm not creating conflict for the sake of it.
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by nextlevelwizard on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:47AM (#38193049)
Just stop attending then and do actual work and raise it up with whoever you report to. You are just as guilty for blindly accepting this behavior and then fucking around. Either do your job or do something else.
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by benhurmarcel on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @09:22AM (#38190642)
What problem?
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by nextlevelwizard on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:48AM (#38193063)
If you can’t identify it, then you are definitely part of the problem
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by sekai on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @10:18AM (#38191576)
Managers forget to ask themselves if a slack message / email could have done it instead of creating ANOTHER meeting.
Re:Hard-to-swallow truths they won't tell you about software... by nextlevelwizard on Wednesday November 08, 2023 @11:49AM (#38193086)
And it is your job to tell them to go fuck themselves and stop wasting time