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Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by amzn12333 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @03:32PM (#38155359)
Just do it in China or Russia then.
Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by threeseed on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:10PM (#38155679)
There are export controls for the highest end GPUs.

And history has shown that companies don't just move to China/Russia because the US market is so lucrative.

Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by Dalewyn on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:28PM (#38155835)
1. Highest-end silicon is not strictly necessary. Most people here can surely appreciate just how fast microprocessors in general are today?

2. The export controls have exceptions, loopholes, and people with strong wills.[1][2]

3. China is slowly but steadily freeing itself from import dependence.[3]

[1]: https://tech.slashdot.org/story/23/08/21/203241/china-keeps-...

[2]: https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/09/09/1849221/huawei-sh...

[3]: https://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=23071327&cid=638...

Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by cscurmudgeon on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:12PM (#38155694)
Where did Apple manufacture its phones?
Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by threeseed on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:15PM (#38155713)
Apple never moved to China.

And their phones are manufactured in China, India and Vietnam.

Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by cscurmudgeon on Sunday November 12, 2023 @03:18PM (#38243718)
> Apple never moved to China.

Nobody said that. Please don't do straw men arguments.

They moved most of their manufacturing to China.

Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by roenxi on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:51PM (#38156013)
For most of history, China wasn't the wealthy superpower it has been since around 2020.

There is an argument that China has the world's largest economy and it is nestled in the middle of the region that is best known for high-tech manufacturing. It is still possible that they'll fumble this somehow, but the fundamentals are solidly on the side of China becoming the place to do AI training.

Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by w4 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @06:11PM (#38156712)
Export controls for GPUs that are exclusively manufactured a hundred miles off of China’s coast in Taiwan, a nation that the CCP considers to be part of China, and that it has explicit plans to take by military force in the coming years?

It’s not as secure and stable of a situation as you present.

Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by cscurmudgeon on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:11PM (#38155689)
That’s what will happen and we will wondering how China got to be number one in AI (like we do now for China and manufacturing).
Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by Tyr42 on Sunday November 05, 2023 @04:34PM (#38155882)
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Re:Developing AI models or giant GPU clusters? Uncle Sam wou... by narism on Sunday November 05, 2023 @08:09PM (#38157616)
China is one of the first countries to regulate AI development: https://carnegieendowment.org/2023/07/10/china-s-ai-regulati...