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Re:Othello Is Solved by jonahx on Saturday November 04, 2023 @03:29PM (#38144309)
> They play very fast. It can become more like poker, where deceit is a part of the game. If you spam down your stones fast enough sometimes you can skip a bowl, or drop an extra stone, in order to gain advantage.

What you describe is just a talent at cheating, and I assume against the rules of the game. In poker, bluffing is an explicit part of the game allowed by the rules. I wouldn't even call it "deceit" in that context. At the very least, these are highly distinct categories of deceit.

Re:Othello Is Solved by weatherlight on Saturday November 04, 2023 @03:48PM (#38144482)
Sometimes there's an implicit its only cheating if you get caught.
Re:Othello Is Solved by buzzy_hacker on Saturday November 04, 2023 @04:30PM (#38144826)
Yeah, in monopoly you don’t have to pay rent if the property owner doesn’t notice.
Re:Othello Is Solved by jhbadger on Saturday November 04, 2023 @04:37PM (#38144886)
And in Scrabble it's fine to use a nonsense word if nobody challenges it.
Re:Othello Is Solved by _justinfunk on Saturday November 04, 2023 @06:15PM (#38145738)
And in American Football it's fine to deflate the ball if no one measures it.
Re:Othello Is Solved by jhbadger on Sunday November 05, 2023 @11:40AM (#38152719)
Not the same. Because there is a penalty to challenging a word that turns out to be a real obscure word found in the dictionary (the official Scrabble dictionary if you playing seriously), it is a legitimate strategy (not cheating) to use obscure words early on, be proven correct when challenged, and then use fake words that opponents are wary of challenging.
Re:Othello Is Solved by pests on Saturday November 04, 2023 @04:43PM (#38144930)
This is not implicit though.

The rules state that property owners can ask for the rent until the next player rolls the dice.

Re:Othello Is Solved by earthboundkid on Saturday November 04, 2023 @05:09PM (#38145138)
In Bullshit, I always felt that if you could trick them into taking the hand or not noticing you added an extra card, it was all part of the game.
Re:Othello Is Solved by david422 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @08:15PM (#38146623)
3 queens ... and slide a 4th card sideways underneath.
Re:Othello Is Solved by earthboundkid on Sunday November 05, 2023 @09:39PM (#38158151)
Yep.
Re:Othello Is Solved by webkike on Saturday November 04, 2023 @05:45PM (#38145484)
IMO that's still not cheating
Re:Othello Is Solved by nemo44x on Saturday November 04, 2023 @07:06PM (#38146150)
If you’re not cheating you’re not trying.
Re:Othello Is Solved by gmd63 on Saturday November 04, 2023 @07:29PM (#38146322)
If you're cheating, you're trying to lose the bigger game.
Re:Othello Is Solved by nemo44x on Monday November 06, 2023 @09:44AM (#38163285)
It’s a famous saying from NASCAR and sort of tongue-in-cheek about how everyone is probably bending the rules as much as they can and if you aren’t you can’t compete with those that are.
Re:Othello Is Solved by gmd63 on Monday November 06, 2023 @11:45AM (#38164941)
It's said in many contexts. I have no interest in a civilization in which the only skill we select for is ability to eat and deceive your fellow man. And I don't believe nature would have much interest in it either.
Re:Othello Is Solved by transcriptase on Saturday November 04, 2023 @08:02PM (#38146553)
The stats from various anti-cheat companies like Vanguard, PunkBuster, and BattleEye demonstrate that some nationalities/cultures believe this more than others.

Even when you adjust for population and CD key pricing.

Re:Othello Is Solved by klodolph on Saturday November 04, 2023 @08:05PM (#38146570)
Cheating is against the rules in mancala, but perhaps, part of the culture of the game. If you’re caught, you retract the move.