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Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by ta_vf7xjd34cc on Saturday November 04, 2023 @09:10AM (#38140713)
> I would think there would be at least a use that comes to mind

It does not come to my mind because the propaganda that Ayurveda is a pseudoscience has been so successfully drilled into me over the decades that I have never been to an Ayurvedic doctor nor do I know of anyone who has.

The article I linked to has a table with a few formulations, their doses and the disorders they are meant to treat, but I don't have first hand knowledge of any of them.

> this practice of eating lead and mercury

Are people popping aspirin pills referred to as ones eating Willow bark? People don't eat lead and mercury. They are part of some Ayurvedic drug formulations.

> Similar to strict religious teaches of what food to eat, Catholic, Jewish, Sattvic diet even.

Ayurveda is not a religious belief system as no Hindu deity has issued a commandment about not eating certain objects. For e.g. an observation that a diet heavy in pulses/legumes will cause bloat, gas and general intestinal discomfort is not a religious belief.

Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by ImPostingOnHN on Saturday November 04, 2023 @09:26AM (#38140806)
> propaganda that Ayurveda is a pseudoscience has been so successfully drilled into me over the decades that I have never been to an Ayurvedic doctor nor do I know of anyone who has.

The propaganda/evil conspiracy angle is unconvincing here. More likely it's not propaganda, but facts and science, and it replaced centuries-old science because it is better and more accurate.

For example, do you also believe there is 'propaganda that geocentrism is a pseudoscience, so successfully drilled into people over the decades that they have never been to a geocentric astronomer, nor do they know of anyone who has"?

Or maybe we just improved our science a bit in the last several hundred years?

Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by ta_vf7xjd34cc on Saturday November 04, 2023 @10:19AM (#38141221)
> geocentrism

The culture that gave the world Ayurveda and the Surya Siddhanta and the Nasadiya Sukta is very different from the ones which believe that God has said that the Earth is flat or ones where God's agents on Earth harassed/murdered scientists because their theories were in conflict with their interpretation of their belief[2][3]

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surya_Siddhanta

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nasadiya_Sukta

Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by ImPostingOnHN on Sunday November 05, 2023 @10:59PM (#38158685)
I actually said more than just

> geocentrism

so please quote me properly.

As a result of your failure to do so, your post has nothing to do with the one it replies to, and fails to address anything in it.

Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by infecto on Saturday November 04, 2023 @09:47AM (#38140950)
I guess that’s my point. Perhaps there are some things useful in Ayurveda but I suspect the vast majority is pseudoscience that was a best guess for the resources available at the time.

Not suggesting this traditional medicine is a religion but that it’s similar to a lot of the dietary restrictions from history. They had some use for the time but perhaps not useful now.

I know more about Chinese traditional medicine and have similar thoughts. Some of it is interesting but lots of it is pseudoscience. Also some of it was practical advice for the time. A lot of it is always about drinking hot water. Perhaps boiled water was cleaner in previous times? But again it’s mostly pseudoscience. If you visit a traditional doctor he feels your wrist for a while and is able to create diagnoses with that along with looking at you and talking.

Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by ta_vf7xjd34cc on Saturday November 04, 2023 @10:35AM (#38141364)
> lots of it is pseudoscience.

I can get behind the feeling of the word, but I absolutely hate this word as it has generally been used in the sense that everything modern (science, technology, people) is smarter/more advanced than anything that is old.

If something was produced as a result of a rational thought process (no ghosts, demons, Gods involved), I would be loathe to call it pseudoscience even if it didn't work most of the time. For e.g. building, clothing, weaponry that works in one climate/area may not work if you transplant it to another place on Earth. That does not mean that the techniques used are pseudoscientific in nature. They were the science of that place and time.

> If you visit a traditional doctor he feels your wrist for a while and is able to create diagnoses with that along with looking at you and talking.

A lot of traditional medicine practitioners today are probably quacks. It is possible that something of import was lost over hundreds of generations of knowledge transfer. As we have access to modern medicine that can quickly relieve symptoms, looking into what was lost might be considered to be a waste of time by some when an easier alternative is available.

Re:How to stop turmeric from killing people by amluto on Saturday November 04, 2023 @11:04AM (#38141676)
And, interestingly, some of it was surprisingly effective. For example:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16566952/

TCM figured out what is essentially the best modern malaria treatment centuries ago.

And boiling water was very sensible. Nowadays we treat our water differently, but before modern sanitation and water treatment, drinking unboiled water was quite dangerous. In much of Europe, people would drink beer when available instead of water, which was likely still an improvement, but alcohol is rather unhealthy. Drinking plain boiled water when thirsty was an excellent idea.