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Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by danbruc on Friday November 03, 2023 @11:00AM (#38129812)
NIF is doing weapons research, what they achieved is essentially irrelevant for electricity production as there is no plausible route towards a power plant. And if you take the overall energy balance, they did not even break even.
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by cmpxchg8b on Friday November 03, 2023 @11:30AM (#38130299)
Warships need electricity too..
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by Symmetry on Friday November 03, 2023 @01:28PM (#38132048)
And the Navy puts money into fusion research for that reason, including a bit into cold fusion just in case. But that's not what their doing at NIF, those guys are trying to figure out if you can make a thermonuclear bomb with just cheap lithium deutride and not the expensive plutonium/enriched uranium.
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by tivert on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:37PM (#38133947)
> But that's not what their doing at NIF, those guys are trying to figure out if you can make a thermonuclear bomb with just cheap lithium deutride and not the expensive plutonium/enriched uranium.

IIRC, thermonuclear bombs are already made with lithium deutride.

Do you mean they're trying to build a thermonuclear bomb without the fission "detonator"? That doesn't make tons of sense to me, since I'd think the test ban treaty would realistically prevent creation of novel types of weapons (because it wouldn't be foolish to rely on a weapon for deterrence that you've never fully tested).

Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by actionfromafar on Friday November 03, 2023 @05:51PM (#38135457)
The treaty Russia just punted on?
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by danbruc on Friday November 03, 2023 @06:39PM (#38136003)
The one that the United States signed but never ratified? Just as China, Egypt, Iran and Israel. And that India, North Korea and Pakistan never signed to begin with? And that will enter into force only after all those countries have signed at ratified it?
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by actionfromafar on Saturday November 04, 2023 @06:37AM (#38139740)
Exactly. We shouldn’t be extremely surprised if testing resumes.
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by noobermin on Friday November 03, 2023 @06:02PM (#38135602)
I'm freaking tired of this line. NIF has an actual break even result which is greater than the results of any mcf experiment. If the NIF result is shit that whole field's result is then below shit.
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by danbruc on Friday November 03, 2023 @06:32PM (#38135932)
Already the first fusion bomb had a break even result.
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by dreamcompiler on Friday November 03, 2023 @06:50PM (#38136115)
NIF's result is significant milestone in the same sense that the invention of the airplane was a significant milestone in the field of space travel. It matters, but we're still a very, very long way from landing on the moon (a fusion-powered electric grid).
Re:Proxima Fusion looks to take stellarators commercial by howenterprisey on Friday November 03, 2023 @09:43PM (#38137272)
That doesn't address their point. It doesn't matter how good the result is if the entire research direction is a dead end, which it is, being practically impossible to convert into a power plant.