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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by nsteel on Friday November 03, 2023 @05:49AM (#38126458)
Where I am in London there're 7.7kW chargers built into some lamposts. It's about 30-40p per kWh depending on when you start. There's also a couple of other providers with roadside chargers in random residential roads. I think they've got the scaling about right for the current demand but if everyone in the area had an electric car it wouldn't work.

I can go 290 miles at £0.016/mile when charging at home. At the (expensive) motorway services it's then £0.15/mile to rapid-charge. The unleaded at that services is £1.60/l so at 42 mpg (guess) it's about £0.17/mile. The EV version of my car is more expensive than petrol but it's not 2x. A petrol car is more expensive to run and fuel (in the UK, at least).

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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by sokoloff on Friday November 03, 2023 @07:11AM (#38127025)
> 290 miles at £0.016/mile when charging at home.

Is that from solar? Or some tariff granting 6p/kWH delivered?

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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by nsteel on Friday November 03, 2023 @07:28AM (#38127162)
https://octopus.energy/smart/intelligent-octopus-go/
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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by sokoloff on Friday November 03, 2023 @07:46AM (#38127307)
Thanks. Is that energy and delivery-of-energy combined for 7.5p/kWh? (Here we are charged separately for each of those tasks and, for me, the delivery of energy is over 59% of the total bill. Any alternate supplier is competing only for the supply of energy.)
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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by sitkack on Friday November 03, 2023 @08:29AM (#38127718)
Did your powerlines get privatized?
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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by sokoloff on Friday November 03, 2023 @09:59AM (#38128862)
This probably explains it better than I can: https://www.mass.gov/info-details/what-do-i-need-to-know-abo...

As far as I know, the distribution has for a very, very long time been managed by a private, regulated monopoly utility.

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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by nsteel on Friday November 03, 2023 @12:08PM (#38130782)
That's the energy only. The delivery of it is fixed charge which doesn't come into this analysis since it's unavoidable in either case.
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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by sokoloff on Friday November 03, 2023 @12:52PM (#38131463)
When you're computing your total cost per mile to compare against petrol or against a commercial fast-charging alternative, it does come into the analysis (assuming it's a per-kWh cost rather than a per-month fee).
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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by nsteel on Friday November 03, 2023 @02:22PM (#38132816)
That assumption is incorrect. I said

> fixed charge

I pay the same fixed (daily) standing charge regardless of how much electricity I use. This is normal here. To include it in the calculations makes no sense.

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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by Dylan16807 on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:04PM (#38133475)
Assuming a fixed cost is per kWh makes no sense and I'm quite confused that someone upvoted it.
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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by sokoloff on Friday November 03, 2023 @03:50PM (#38134089)
We have competitive supply here. The charge for distribution is fixed with regard to which energy supplier you choose, but is not fixed with regard to energy consumption.

I asked, because if I chose Octopus supply, my energy supply price per kWh would vary according to the supplier but the price per kWh for distribution would not. (And Octopus would naturally only quote the price that they are charging for the part of the total picture that they're involved with.)

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Re:Auto execs are coming clean: EVs aren't working by nsteel on Friday November 03, 2023 @08:11PM (#38136688)
Some Octopus energy customers have batteries and do this but it's a hefty investment.
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